Climate change falsehood

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  1. hoytedow
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    I like pita bread. I holds my souvlaki together. As a member of pEta(people EATING tasty animals), I enjoy a good kabob.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souvlaki
     
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    "Go on and get it over with then, find you a bridge and take a jump..." [Zappa]

    I think your comment is an over-generalization. People may harbour misanthropic tendencies through various reasons or conditions - socio-economic/medical/theistic etc...

    As an optimist [albeit a slightly Bi-Polar one...], I generally do not conform to the misanthropic view. But I do suffer from clinical depression [MMD] and in managing this ailment, I note upon my condition various vectors that modify my overall outlook toward humanity; that is to say that even the minor effect of SAD [Seasonal Affected Disorder], can influence my state of mind. Add that to other major vectors, such as: disillusionment [disenfranchisement] in the socio-political order, observation of the way humankind treats itself and its environment and the cavalier attitude of certain humans [unfortunately most...], that we are never to blame [...because we are a product of nature], that what we do [in our day to day deliberations and actions], is somehow justified [...to ourselves], our avaricious tendency, the need to acquire [...mostly a hedonistic drive, or to ensure the continued safety of our lineage...]... Even procreation imparts its influence. How many children do I need? [Or shall I employ contraception? Nah! We feel the urge lets just go for it...]

    This is why, I believe[and it is by no-means an exhaustive list]many thinking people harbour misanthropic ideas. I empathise, but certainly do not exempt myself from judgement.

    To jibe and bring my post back on course to the thread... My current belief is that, in the long-term, the actions of humankind are insignificant when compared to the vast forces at play in our universe and I include everything understood about our existence, from micro-to-macrocosm. At best our accurate data sets only go back around 125ka [..the Greenland Ice Cores], though data derived from other sources [the fossil record etc.] indicates trends back over a longer time.

    We understand little of the comparatively short-term mechanisms of climate change for many reasons; lack of accurate data, consensus of opinion, evolutionary immaturity, ignorance of our understanding of fluid dynamics amongst various other attributes. But that what we do understand [...or should understand], is that over the relatively short-term time frame of our existence, we are evolving and growing exponentially, more than any other specie, we have attained a level of superiority that perhaps for the first time does indeed influence such mechanisms as AGW. Even granted that we still do not match the ultimate forces of the universe, the exponential growth in population, technological advancement with subsequent increase in effluent toxins and aerosol gases [...not hitherto a vector in past GW periods...] cannot possibly be ignored as a contemporary vector.

    Those of us out there who have the affliction of smoking, instinctively know that what we are doing is detrimental to our health and others, yet even knowing these proven data-sets we still employ denial... Some of us, finally take action and give up the habit - why? Because we wish to live longer? Save money? Concern for others? All laudable reasons...

    What we are doing, on a global level is as inherently unnatural as smoking is to the individual. Taking the use of fossil fuels alone, we are the only vector over the short-term [let us say the Holocene...] that has found a way of releasing vast amounts of stored CO, that would otherwise have not been released in such quick and vast amounts by any other process.

    So as a product of nature, do we not owe it to our 'mother force' to heed the signs? Even if we are being egocentric and merely thinking of our children.

    Every Little Helps [...and that door swings both ways].
     
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    I disagree we are growing exponentially more than any other species. Available data shows that species like locust and lemmings far exceed us. They attain huge population levels that then fall off sharply.
     
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    SCIENCE INSIDER | Chinese Academy in Climate Change Uproar
     
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    So freaking what!!??
     
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    I got this thread mixed up with the "Global Warming a New Report" thread, though I expect that most readers of this thread also read the other thread.
    And then from another recent thread...

    The following is taken from a recent speech delivered by Noam Chomsky in February
     
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    Noam Chomsky spreads the madness.
     
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    Chomsky is not a source of reliable information, his anti-American rants are so devoid of factual information and rational content that it makes everything he says suspect in my mind. He lives in a parallel universe that has no resemblance to this one. I have heard his lectures and his interviews on the radio, but I can hardly stomach his columns of very vile hatred of his own country.

    He built his career as a brilliant linguist and published many essays in well respected language publications, something brought him into the mainstream media as some kind of authority on American politics. That was likely the idiot media found his extreme anti-American opinions somehow "enlightening". Even a cursory readying of Chomsky's rants, and a simple fact check, tells anyone there is no objective information in them. As if 30 percent agreement in published climate studies is somehow a "consensus".

    Not only does he spread the madness, he was delusional a very long time ago.

    And I would not necessary dismiss Farrara's work, or Forbes magazine, just because they are pro-business. it does not automatically mean they are wrong, bias perhaps in favor of private industry, but they are trying to support their opinions with hard data (unlike Chomsky).
     
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    Editorials are, by their nature, the work of an activist. They may include reliable data, but are not reliable information by themselves.
     
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    I did not quote Chomsky because I was offering him as a reliable source of scientific information, but rather as part of an explanation to Hoyt about why the Chinese Academy of Sciences did not want to appear to be endorsing the Heartland Institute book Climate Change Reconsidered.

    I pretty much do dismiss Farrara’s articles because of his close association with the Heartland Institute, and because of their terrible track record of warping facts to fit their political agenda on many issues, including Climate Change.

    Forbes magazine is in fact starting to publish some pro-Climate Change articles. I posted one about a week ago.
     
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    WASHINGTON POST | Natural disasters, climate change, and the ‘burn it all downers’
     
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    Any explanation you direct towards me will fall on deaf ears. I pretty much dismiss any thing you might say as propaganda that holds no credibility for me.
     
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    Yes, and we all know that no AGW climate change true believers have NEVER done that either. NOT!
     

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