Climate change falsehood

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by gonzo, May 26, 2009.

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  1. ImaginaryNumber
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  2. El_Guero

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    my numbers were off by a factor of 7, I think.

    But 126144000 x 12Kt is a huge amount of nukes.

    I think that is larger than the world's doomsday scenario. And we are still here.
     
  3. El_Guero

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    That was for SamSam and his comment about Abdussamatov.

    NASA reports global warming is now leaning towards global cooling.
     
  4. Petros
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    here is the problem with science that claims to find correlation, you need to have a nexus or causal link. So the claim that CO2, CFC or any other greenhouse gas is causing the warming is questionable unless there is a strong correlation, which unfortuantly there is not. Mostly becasue there is so much we humans do not know about the mechanisums of global climate.

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    consumption of organic produce is on the rise....

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    and yet we can see the strong correlation with childhood obesity. therefore to lower the obesity rate we much reduce the consumption of organic vegetables. Clearly the cause of obesity is the consumption of organic vegetable, perhaps we should institute a tax to reduce the consumption of organic produce to reduce obesity rates.
     
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    Closer to a million, but what are silly numbers between friends :)

    The energy received by the whole Earth is about 1.740×10^17joules/second
    = 41.6 megatons/second
    = 3467 Hiroshima-sized bombs/second

    Four extra bombs per second is an increase of only 1/10th of one percent.... that's peanuts.

    But this isn’t really an increase in the energy received by the Earth; we are already receiving that energy from the sun. Rather, the earth isn’t re-radiating the energy of those extra four bombs per second into space because of the greenhouse effect. And so, second-by-second, day-by-day, and year-by-year, all that extra energy is adding up.

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    and you may be surprised one day to find that you have a hippopotamus.
     
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    I fail to understand what you are doing on this forum, all I have noted is that you are negative to everything that we are about.:rolleyes:

    There are some fantastic ideas being aired on this site, with relatively amateur ideas being mixed with informative and forward thinking inputs from others, I am no stranger to many of these concepts and ethics, having been interested in avante garde ideas and green ethics probably before you were born...

    I think you would be more at home on the Muppet forum [...as your handle suggests], if one exists.
     
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    Re: Your post #350
    LOL :D Love that analogy IN0...
     
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    I don't see anything negative about those answers to your question nor the one moving to where you don't need tons of HVAC. One huge change is often less nuisance than a hundred small changes. I know someone who takes a flight across the country every other Monday and returns every other Wednesday. Consolidate those flights to once a month and more pollution would be reduced than changing every lightbulb he will ever own. Likewise on trying life in a city where you take public transit for year or two.
     
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    Finding a cure for CO2 emissions may or may not help global warming, but it will certainly save money and dwindling oil reserves.

    The only thing I have thought of to save a lot of energy, is to legalise, manage and encourage hitch-hiking.

    I am sure we all see these thousands of cars with one person in them. In my little country town locality, I see quite a few people hitchhiking, and as occasion permits, I will give them a ride.

    Is it possible to organize a safe way to encourage car sharing ? Perhaps with approved drivers, and registered passengers, and electronic trip recording with appropriate rewards for the car owner.
     
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    We already have a demonstrated successful way of doing this right now. Problem is, it's a technology deemed 'evil'.

    So this is not a technology problem, it's a political/ideology problem.

    As I'm in essence a scientist/engineering type, I don't have the patience to be polite to ****** who put their ideology in front of technological reality. So frankly I no longer give a damn.

    PDW
     
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    Anyone that proposes that the ability of CO2 to increase temperature has reached saturation point needs to study Venusian climatology.
     
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    You still see hitch-hikers in Tassie ? Can't recall seeing one in Queensland for a long time, and it is an offence by law so far as I know.
     
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    Still see them, yes. Occasionally I'll even pick one up.

    PDW
     
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    If you are talking about nuclear, we have Chernobyl, Fukushima to think about. Sure, they are the exception, but lets consider over 20 older decommissioned nuclear plants in Britain alone that will take another 200 years to decommission and decontaminate, not to mention the huge costs of rehabilitation and material mitigation and storage.

    The situation in other parts of the world is even worse eg Russia,

    Nuclear is by no means a clear alternative
     

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    Yes, the same in Tassie as well.

    There have been some real horror stories involving hitchhikers, and there are still some unsolved disappearances in the State.

    In this age of cheap electronic gear, I have often wondered if an organised, audited, driver/passenger system could be arranged. There are a lot of car pooling websites around, but they require a fair bit of pre-planning, and arent very flexible.

    It might be seen to be against the interests of public transport operators and taxi drivers, but maybe it could make modern transportation more efficient.
     
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