Climate change falsehood

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  1. Herr Kaleun
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    Hey Imaginary Zero, I am finding your information [and knowledge/insight] extremely interesting [and you're keeping to thread...]. I would hope that the US Govt. would be looking into this issue, for many reasons. Good ol enigmatic US of A. They are one of the biggest polluters and yet have the largest environment protection program and more forward thinking people per acre than any of the so-called developed countries. Pity you can't get them into Congress... Please could you clarify the eight potential 'Black Swan' events?
     
  2. ImaginaryNumber
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    The Eight Black Swan events are found in the National Intelligence Council paper Global Trends 2030: Alternative Worlds.

    p.s.
    My wife sometimes tells me I'm an Imaginary Zero too ;)
     
  3. dskira

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    Lets see; Is one million VWSeat consume less than 1000 Hummer?
    I don't think so.
    The word fantasy and vulgar?. It is extremely misplaced in a free society. We built you and me boat for what? fantasy. So don't shoot yourself on the foot, and reflect about your own profession. yes we are in the business of dream and fantasy.
    Hard for you to gasp, since it seams you have two train of thought: the liberal green at night, and the hard cash I don't care from whom comes the Euro during the day.
    Be consistent and look at your own shipyard and marina, and what make you alive and well. A lot of Hummer, a lot of Hummer.........a lot
    You are, as myself, in the most polluting, inutile, costly, money loosing, dream driven job. Why? because we love it.
    Try to recycle or resale your bobbling plastic hull, that is not vulgar consumption in your book? Try to look at the explosion of marinas around the word, and ask the locals what they think about it, look around you before making the Hummer and the US lifestyle an example
    Don't talk about vulgar consumer, or get out of the yacht business and become a monk.
    As for the US, well you should be here to judge, and don't make hasty conclusion and feeding yourself with false news.
    You know nothing about our transportation situation, you can't transplant your own situation over here.
    Anyway, we are going nowhere with this discussion, you have your Hummer, I have my own view. You and me will not change the course of the planet.
    Good night, Good luck.
     
  4. michael pierzga
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    If oil demand dropped , as a response to climate change , imagine the implications for countries who derive their income by exporting petroleum.

    These countries include the most dangerous societies on earth .

    Energy is Americas largest export. Very soon the US will be the worlds biggest energy exporter. Armed to the teeth, angry and poor due to lost revenues.... very dangerous
     
  5. Herr Kaleun
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    Ha! Your wife may have a point[?], LoL!:D. Sorry, I've only just noticed, I got your handle wrong...:eek: [we've all got little 'o' s after our handles...].

    Seriously though, that was a very interesting read. I have been somewhat cocooned in recent years and dropped the ball a bit, so tis nice to be brought up to speed... And IN0, I have learned more from you in these last few days than in I have in a while. Thank you and keep the data rolling...

    It just goes to show how vulnerable this planet really is, granted nature has a significant role in some of these events, but for the most part it's humans who feature... No mention of Gamma-Ray Bursts from local...ish stars going supernova then? Our own star features, but again no mention of the geomagnetic reversal, which is a happening concern that, as far as I know, we have scant knowledge and still speculative on the consequences. Everything is in flux [excuse the pun...] and the dynamics are, as typical to anything in this universe- virtually unquantifiable. Some of those events are eerily close to a reality [from a European's perspective...]though.

    I see they use the term Tectonic Shift, not in its classical geological sense, but to describe the demographic[?] human construct/impact. Nice, as Spock would no-doubt say - fascinating.

    I look forward to your next report - Agent IN0.:cool:
     
  6. ImaginaryNumber
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    Yes, it appears that the primary extraterrestrial event that figured in their list is a super-big Coronal Mass Ejection (CME), such as the 1859 Carrington Event.

    WIKIPEDIA | Solar storm of 1859
    NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC | What If the Biggest Solar Storm on Record Happened Today?
     
  7. ImaginaryNumber
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    ABC NEWS (AU) | Predictions Australia will be hardest hit by climate change

     
  8. Herr Kaleun
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    He says the world has already left it too late to prevent the onset of major climate

    Mmm, This corroborates what I watched last week. By CO2 levels reaching an all time high since, what the tertiary or quaternary periods?, how can certain people disclaim that we have anything to do with the current trend. In geological history it was mostly volcanism, or biological vectors that caused greenhouse gasses and although these vectors still exist, they are way outpaced by CO2 emissions from the human vector. Plus secondary vectors such as agriculture [cow farts etc...] all add to the heady mix...

    We have left it far too late, there's no doubt there. The prevarication, denial and onward march to progress [ aided and abetted by human predilection for hedonism, avarice, competition etc... ad nauseum] are all culpable.

    I cannot speak for the US or any other country, but I've got a feeling that we Limeys are going to get fined for failing to reach our CO2 reduction quotient by 2020... Mostly because we are a nation of 'Ganues'... [we bury our heads in the sand...] only now are we rolling out the tech in a splendid example of brinkmanship to attempt to stave off the inevitable. The fine probably will go unnoticed by your average Joe Soap, our 'masters' have slipped in all manner of 'stealth taxes' and all we seem to do is roll over in submission... One of many reasons why I want a catamaran to go and live on some desolate rock somewhere hot... Away from the grey, mildew and apathy that the UK has become...

    And will someone please help me to work out how to 'quote' a passage from other thread inputs, like you all are managing to do, expertly, I'm still trying to get the hang of this forum threading thing... :confused:
     
  9. michael pierzga
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    Stay clear of Catamarans...youll be a sitting target.

    Im on the water now...the bay is full of unshaven catamaran owners, rust bleeds dripping down thier topsides, windmills whirling as they sip some kinda strange Green Kool Aid on solar panel tables.

    Easy prey....Their gonna be the first statistics.

    Beware.
     
  10. Herr Kaleun
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    :D LoLoLoL!!! Brilliant! Love it, that sounds just ideal...

    It has to be a cat - I used to hate them, after having the sorry misfortune of sailing in a Heavenly Twins 26 footer...:p More like Hells Twins to me, gave me migraine!! But, now I am a convert, mostly down to Wharram... I like the idea of being able to beach and chill-out from springs to springs, not to mention the area and speed advantages, for a 50 or 60 footer, you got twice the amount of boat than its equivalent monohull. Anyway, I've got some pretty radical [well at least to my knowledge...] propulsion ideas, that will go some way towards doing my bit for assuaging the environmental impact thing...:cool:

    And anyway, I'm already a statistic...
     
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    When facing a tyrannical government climate is the least of our worries.
     
  12. Herr Kaleun
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    :D Roger that!!!
     
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    NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC | As Climate Change Reduces Colorado River Communities Must Prepare

     
  14. gonzo
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    The main problem with the whole "Energy Management" plans is that is mainly based on creative accounting; ie "Metrics". It does not include the total energy necessary to produce and then buy the product. For example, if a hybrid vehicle costs twice or more what a conventional one does, the energy required to pay for it is twice. That means that the buyer has to create twice or more the energy footprint to earn enough money to pay for something that is not twice as efficient.
     

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    PHYS.ORG | Rapid climate change ruled out ice age trees

     
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