ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

Climate change discourse can only gain traction when America faces up to its poor education levels.

The poorly educated cling to ancient texts and become religious fanatics, gun nuts, evolution deniers, conspiracy believers and overwhelmingly vote republican.

Only education can bring these people into the modern world and allow society to implement rational responses to climate change

 

Let's go back to basics. A lot of the argument for global warming goes back to basic spectroscopy. Let's start with the question of whether there is some specific aspect of the spectroscopy with which you disagree, and if so, what is the disagreement and why do you disagree.

On the other hand, if you have no disagreement with the spectroscopy, then maybe we can go on to another specific topic, and you can explain your specific disagreement on that topic.

 

yes its heading where 3rd world country's are today
Keep the money with the investment bankers and politicians, dont educate the population so they dont know, give money to the poor and have uncontrolled migration to keep being voted in to keep the bottom end of the pyramid growing.
Your just lucky you speak English as that was always used as tool to prevent you from leaving or learning in the 3rd world.

 

Let's see.....

You won your US independence by a minority using their private arms. Overwhelming evidence shows an armed citizenry is a sign of freedom, the converse is a sign of tyranny.

The country itself was first settled by Christians escaping religious persecution by apostates and heretics. Your finest (former finest, now they are white elephant idiot mills) universities were founded as Christian colleges. Without Christianity modern western science would never have gotten started.

The less Christian you become, the more immoral and clueless you become, open to any kind of nonsense foisted on you by vile fools. Nonsense that everything just kind of happened for no particular reason, or that a trace gas good for plants is somehow responsible for weather, that we must pauperise and enslave ourselves to fix.

If you're outing as an athiest, consider that you are in a tiny minority in history and contemporary demographics. You also have no ability to argue right from wrong, because you have no basis for moral judgements other than your opinion. You are also in fine company, amongst such staunch athiests like Freud, Darwin, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and suchlike.

Yes, you hate us Christians, but you're old hat. We'll walk on your ashes one day, but in the meantime we'll tolerate your vile hatred and continue to pray for you even when you feed us to the lions. The muslims hate you however, and will accomplish their purpose....a handy knout to give you stripes, courtesy of the same God that used Assyria and Babylon to punish Israel when they forgot Him. So live your empty meaningless lives in the darkness, and enjoy yourselves with your attack on anything resembling light and hope and civility and reason; it won't end well. Meantime, don't complain about how screwed up the world is because according to you nobody is listening and it all means nothing anyway.

Back to the thread track....let's look at legislation that threatens use of the seas, particularly by private persons. I'm curious about what TPP will bring, even as I lament the EU RCD that killed small boatbuilding.

 

PS Islam invented optics - ok after that nothing and 50,0000 years before Australian Aborigines invented aerodynamics and got the boomerang to come back.
Christianity brought them disease and decimation

 

Is there any particular reason you showed up and decided to barf all over the middle of this thread? I don't see anything in your little rant which disproves the study showing Christians who believe we're living in the end times aren't as worried about taking care of it as other people are - including fellow Christians who heed Mark 13:32: 'But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.'

My personal opinion is that the country has made it this far in spite of folks like you, not because of them.

 

What year do you think optics was invented by Islam? All of the contributions to science by the Arab world, like architecture, mathematics, astronomy, medicine, etc. were well before Islam. Since Islam took over the middle east there has been no cultural contributions from that region. The first lenses were created in 700 bc by the Assyrians, based on the work of Greek philosophers. the word "optics" itself is a Greek word. There was no Islam in 700 bc.

Aborigines did not, nor anyone else, "invent" aerodynamics, they may have discovered it. It was there all along, insects, birds and many plants use it long before there were any Aborigines. It was European and American scientists who developed the science of the aerodynamics enough to allow the first aircraft, and the improvement of sails on boats as well.

Though many unfortunate tragedies occur when there is first contact between cultures and peoples, you can not blame spreading disease by accident on their religion. Christianity has brought, and still does, charity and medicine and eduction to places in the world that greatly need it. It also has attempted to put an end to cannibalism, tribalism, wars and slavery where it could. From the dawn of recorded history the only national security occurred where there were large powerful armies to defend the country. But after Christianity became wide spread, it allowed, for the first time in history, nations to peacefully co-exist. And though some have used religion for the sake of waging wars, the ultimate goal was largely economy gain, not to force a religious ideology. Even so, the most wars and death has come to the world through Atheist ideologies, not from the much maligned Christianity. Christianity has, and still does, provide the most free health care to the worlds poor, and has assisted in the advance of medical research, as well as a lot of other sciences as well.

I would say you are wrong on all counts. three strikes, you are out.

 

this is just a biggoted opportunity to mock region thinly disguised as a "study". their conflate the idea that somehow to hold religious beliefs that it "suggests" they ignore educated scientists? What a crock of manure. Perhaps they just do not worship their scientists like the atheists do.

They write like Marxist propagandists. This is no legitimate "study".

Why don't you stick with just science here? Rather than post nonsense put out by bigots.

 

I'm sorry, but your claim that all the scientific discoveries from the Arab world came before Islam is almost comically wrong. That's completely aside from the fact that you apparently don't know the difference between an Arab and a Muslim. Fact: there are many more non-Arab Muslims in the world than there are Arab Muslims. And not all Arabs are Muslim, by a long shot. One of my best friends years ago was a Christian Arab from Jordan....

Your statement that most wars and death have come through atheist ideologies is also complete bs. Every warlike culture throughout history, right on up into the 20th century, had some sort of religion.

Might I suggest you read a few history books? Then you might be able to defend your religion properly, instead of actively embarrassing yourself.

 

well said

 

I don't see any attempt to mock religion here. What's so strange about the possibility that the subset of Christians who believe the world is going to end any day now aren't as worried about long-range climate change as other people are, including Christians who accept the Biblical statements that only God knows when the world will end?

If I thought the house I live in was going to be bulldozed in the next few years with me in it, I wouldn't really worry about spending a lot of money on long-term maintenance.

 

I am sorry sir, it is you who are ignorant of history. Name any major scientific advance that came out of the middle east for the last 1000 years. Many of my ancestors came from that part of the world, I know that history better than most. the original incorrect post was that Muslims invented optics, just not so. The Greeks conceived it and it was Assyrians (non-Arabs) that made the first lenses. Nether are Arabs or Muslim, and the small remnant of Assyrians today are largely Christians who have nearly been wiped out by both Arab and non-arab Muslims. I have just celebrated the Eastern Orthodox Easter (Pascha) this last sunday (May 5th) with some Palestinian Christians, along with some Greek, Russian, Serbian, Coptic and even Armenian Christians. Islam came out of the Arab world, and it is spread to many non-Arab countries.

Name any major scientific or cultural advances that came out of the middle east since 700 AD to the present. Name one. We use Arabic numbers in our math, and the alphabet also comes from the middle east, but again these predate Islam by many centuries. the Islamic world claims advances in medicine and architecture, but these were simply seized by Muslim invaders from Greek Christians (my ancestors) living in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and present day Greece, and other areas around the Mediterranean. Their theft was so blatant that many of their Mosques they show off of examples of Muslim achievement were actually Byzantine style churches that were painted over, but the very architecture itself is filled with Christian symbolism. Everywhere they invade they destroy culture, destroy art, and destroy statues, stop music, dancing, destroy the universities, kill achievement, kill all other advances in science and culture. My grandmother's family was wiped out, staved or worked to death, all their property seized by a Muslim government only because she was a Greek speaking Christian, she and her younger bothers were the only ones that survived as children and escaped to Greece. As were a lot of my other relatives. We keep their memories alive by passing along the stories of their lives, achievements and existence because the rest of the world chooses to ignore it.

Do not dare lecture me on history you ignorant rube.

You are really misinformed, you should verify first what you write. go look at the shear numbers that communist countries have starved, killed and drove out in death marches. In one century in Russia and Asia alone it rivals all previous wars combined. I have studied this, you clearly do not know what you are talking about. It is you that must read up on history rather than get it off the TV.

 

Unfortunately it seems this thread has become more about religion and politics than ocean currents or new science or useful information related to boats and boating and too many posts are including insults directed towards other members. The forums here are not intended to host jabs directed at others. With multiple posts now containing insults directed towards other members, it seems this thread has run it's course and is now being closed. Let's please try and keep the forums polite to all other members. Thanks.

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