How many people have been caught in a close down of a company ??

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  1. tazmann
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    Are you sure that is all paid for from tax dollars ? Doesn't a large percent of the marinas lease from the state ? state getting the money to cover the cost marina getting slip fee's to cover there cost ? Coast guard would have to be there anyway guarding our coast against drug runners, terrorist or any other threat
     
  2. waikikin
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    Apparently taxes are the price that's paid for civilisation.....
    I am a at present a government worker.........
    I have operated a business in the marine industry for over 25 years.....
    I still have it
    It is not very busy.......... at present!
    Harbours here are often natural features..... the stuff around the edges are made for ships & & ferries & fishing boats.....lots of people use stuff that comes off ships, catch ferries & also eat fish........ dunno what that means just some casual observations.............. from Jeff
     
  3. hoytedow
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    The government never built anything. The contractors did.
     
  4. Paul B

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    I guess you've never heard of the US Army Corps of Engineers, or a little thing called the CCC.


    Around much of our country contractors don't build anything. The undocumented workers they hire do.


    I am still waiting for your statistics on family farms lost through "inheritance taxes".
     
  5. Paul B

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    You are lucky. Most of our coastline here in SoCal is devoid of natural harbours. We have had some wetland areas that have been built out and dredged to make small yacht harbours. Alamitos Bay in Long Beach, most of Newport Bay, Marina del Rey (world's largest yacht harbour), etc. These places need to be dredged on a schedule otherwise they attempt to return to their natural state. They are patolled by a gov't harbour patrol.

    There places are yacht harbours. There are no commercial fishing operations in these places. No Ships offloading goods (we have Terminal Island for that). These places are lined with US$10MM+ waterfront homes, yacht clubs, and restaurants/shops. Their purpose is lifestyle and recreation for the wealthy, paid for by the taxpayers.
     
  6. Paul B

    Paul B Previous Member

    Our local marinas are not private. They are gov't run entities.
     
  7. goodwilltoall
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    Waikkin,

    You're a government worker and its natural for you to say "taxes are necessary" since you have a vested interest in promoting that idea. In times past, people accepeted taxes as a result of thier time was limited from high profitable productivity, they decided to delegate certain functions to government however, this is a wrongly construed belief "paying taxes" equals civilization.

    That construct for running a society is going by the wayside as other formerly centralized entities are proving, if you loosen up and allow freedom, people are able to unleash thier creativity, resulting in a wealthier "civilization".

    The countries of Europe are learning this the hard way, having to conform to lower standards of living because of the indoctrination of false socialistic beliefs, its even happening to the majority in the US.

    People feel and acknowledge the slowing economy, but incorrectly attribute it to what they were taught in school that it moves up and down without any other input, and at this stage, its on the down slope but just a matter of time before it start up again . A rude awaking is in store, it will go up again but only after a long protracted readjustment period, smaller government and less taxes will be the result.
     
  8. michael pierzga
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    HUH ?
     
  9. hoytedow
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    Keep waiting. The number is over 1 but should be less than 1.
     
  10. Paul B

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    Since you can't seem to cite even one instance of what you claim I've done a quick internet search. Here is what I found:

    Neil Harl, an Iowa State University economist whose tax advice has made him a household name among Midwest farmers, said he had searched far and wide but had never found a farm lost because of estate taxes. "It's a myth," he said.

    Even one of the leading advocates for repeal of estate taxes, the American Farm Bureau Federation, said it could not cite a single example of a farm lost because of estate taxes.
     
  11. Petros
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    what does this have to do with the topic? how about staying with what happened when you worked for a company that you worked for that went out of business?

    Taxes are necessary for running any society, high taxes will slow economic activity often put marginal companies under. We want to hear about what happens when you worked for such a company.
     
  12. tazmann
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    Not to get off topic but yes they built the state run marinas just like camp grounds with tax payers money but it is also an investment for the state, same as a private built marina, they make money on there investment slip fee's launch ramp dry storage . Not exactly a burden on the tax payer and it keeps plenty people working.
     
  13. tazmann
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    Well I came home from the Army in the first part of 82 economy was in the crapper jobs were scarce minimum wage was $3.25, went back to work at an orange packing house that I had worked for in high school they closed down a week later, hunted around for another job, helped my brother a few days on a job then back looking with no luck , went to unemployment agent couldn't get unemployment because I got an honorable discharge! told them well you better find me a job cause I gota eat they got me a job at a pallet manufacturing plant minimum wage but better than nothing, finally found a job at a dairy paid 1k a month plus house and utilities, great compared to minimum wage but had to work my buns off . Moral of the story if you lose your job get off your duff and find another one and do what ever you have to till something better comes along
    Kinda funny we have all these people on unemployment but the grape farmers were having trouble finding anyone to pick grapes
     
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  14. waikikin
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    Some interesting perspectives Goodwill, nearly everyone views the World from where they stand, from my perspective, I am currently in government employment & did an apprenticeship with a Naval dockyard also, most of my working life I have run a small enterprise/business/self employment. A year or so before the GFC hit most people/businesses I had a Quarter where my debt ballooned by about $20,000, this was abnormal, in effect I was keeping the balls in the air & repairing my own vessels etc & the work I was doing was stuff I had shunned in the past & I had to compete a bit harder to get it. Economies go in cycles or have done in the past, this was my warning, with little on the books work wise I made a decision to just get a job, the first was for a large slipping facility where I knew had a high turnover of staff & I could get a job next day.... a fall back position, within six weeks I was offered the position of yard supervisor but had been interviewing elsewhere, I was offered a position as Shipwright to a Tall Ship working for a not for profit enterprise, the rates weren't that great but I could pay the bills & factory mortgage etc & it was terrific fun which is also important.... to me. A job came up next door for a government job, rates & super about 30% + & great conditions, I have been promoted within that department & have the care of thousands of tonne vessels, I'd like to think.... from this perspective that the skills learned in business have contributed to the advancements. I look after a number of employees, all with perspectives & skills to apply, some really great people with passion for their work, & a great organisation that contributes to my country.
    The thing is that I & my workmates are not automated drones with our noses in the trough of government employment. The very important thing is to be adaptable & responsible to your family commitments & debts & adjust to economies as they evolve especially in an industry thats an early warning indicator of economic strife. My business is active but now I am selective, just yesterday I knocked back molding some(lots) planter boxes for a real estate development, didn't interest me, as much as there was good bucks to be made it's not a core interest(not a boat) & would distract me from the important position I hold, if it had been a large vessel order maybe my notice would go in, but not until the first cheque cleared! I'd also be happy to pay heaps of tax........ because that would mean I was making heaps & heaps of money;)

    All the best from Jeff.
     

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    The line between a civil society who protects victims of unemployment while maintaning industrial competitiveness and a civil society which discourages job creation while encouraging citizens living off the state , is very difficult to establish. Every Nation struggles with it.

    This line of social civilization will become ever more difficult to establish over the next few decades because of the great demographic shift .
    Job creation and the youth may suffer as society tries to protect the old people .....or will the old suffer to benefit the young ? .
     
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