Aggressive Mini Speed Boat Sketch...would it work?

I do think it's more cosmetic, but probably helps with boarding the boat from the water. Enables a lower line closer to the water, like a built in swim platform.

 

Shape gives strength !!

When you look at most lines and lumps and bumps on boats above the waterline its just for show ,some are used for making plain flat panels a little more ridged ,same as is done with cars ,and all the shape they introduce to make it stiffer and stronger without added weight .
Have a look at any modern car you will be very hard pushed to find one single flat patch any where on its body ! Bonnets ,boots, doors , guards and even the glass in the doors !
Now day the windscreen is a structual part of the body . Has the boat building industry caught onto that yet ?? dont think so !! most boat designers are not really that bright.
So think shape !! it gives strength with a very small amount of added weight .
Boats will never catch you to the automotive industry in the way they use shapes and framing all combined to make them strong yet light . Its way beyond Boat designers thinking !! the left side of the brain dosent know what the rightside is there for !!

 

I agree to a point that many designers, don't employ some of the structural aspects of the materials and applications they employ, but only in regard to production builds. These boats generally don't need these advantages, most having plenty of HP to over come any short falls, in regard to stiffness and weight. On the other hand, special applications and racers usually do employ all the cute little tricks, also seen in other industries. In fact, some marine industry designs, lead the automotive industry in certain aspects, particularly composites. As far as the designers just not being "that bright", well if their applications doesn't require it, why bother. It's not a reflection on their knowledge base, so much as meeting the design SOR and standards established by other segments within the company.

 

If the application doesn't require it why bother? IMO, people are tired of the same old boat. Just because something isn't required doesn't mean it can't add benefit, not to mention beauty. People like sexy, cuz sexy sells. If you're building boats only to meet the SOR and specifications you're forgetting the most crucial part of the word designer...design.

 

It's a cost/reward thing LilWake, though I agree design should be just that, you have to pay for it. So, as a business man, how much more time are you willing toss at a project, when the market doesn't have a clue? In most cases, you have to justify elements of a design. An extra cub holder, built into the tissue dispenser in the head, can be strangely justified be the marketing team, forcing your hand, but spending tens of hours on calculations for the differences, between panel arrangements or stiffness improvements, that can't add some justifiable value to the end product or save the business production time, materials and or labor are just a hard sell to those paying you.

 

Designers should be ideas people !!

I agree with both of you but if you want to be a leader in a market then you got to be ahead so all anyone else does is follow and try to play catch up . In a very small way its what we did in a small inflatable company where i worked long time ago
We had an opposition company that was always 2 paces behind what we were doing . in most cases it was dead copy and blatantly so . But they were always playing follow the leader.
Then we introduced a ridged hull and that was just to much . I had been in the race boat industry for a time so threw some tricks and added go fast things , suttle but nessasary things .They tried to follow but there boat was a dog . I also introduced a special exstremely strong but light Lay up . The only thing was to many old guys got to test the boat and was classed as flightly . The young guys loved it and could throw it round and tie it in knots just about .The ridged was much faster and during surf and sea trials was out ,turned and on its way back while the older boats were still struggling to get to the bouys in exactly the same sea conditions

Ok getting back to design and cost it did not cost any more to make and development ,time was shorter because there was very little to no putting in the water trying and having to change things then try again .
Had a clear picture of what had to be done and went and did it . Knowledge and know how and what works and what dosent !! put it to good use what you learned over the years and take the guess work out of the equasion .

With each boat a designer draws surely he has a fixed and standard set of ideas to work from . added cup holders shouldnt have to be added they should be standard . Surely its better to give more and you can delete . Than do some fancy drawing and have to add to because it was your over sight !!.
In this day of cad and computers its just touching a few buttons and its done .
Another problem is owners have ideas what they want but dont exspress them selves very good . its up the the designer to have a vast and very detailed library of pictures of what the differant things are they want !!
Designers to me are just fixed on there own style and dont want to look beyond
I sat in a meeting for the introduction of a new fast sports boat the company was going to introduce based on a nice 34 foot hull from one of the cruiser boats we made .
All and everyone was oohing and aaahing but looking closer it really was a nothing design! nicely drawn and beautifil colours but lacked substance and detail and actual design of that time .
I just asked wheres all the new inovation and flashy things and go fast changes ?? silence !! how dare you question the designer .
Was just a copy of a older boat some one else had discarded and been dressed to impress the managers because they were all buggies .was a short meeting i just shock my head and walked out
Company closed less than 6 months later so didnt really matter any way .

 

Hi tunnels,
I have a water bottle that looks to be done the same way. Its seems everything in this world is made from the same blue prints. That added weight also is added money and time, time is money too however you want to apply it.

Maybe the yen yang thing or how your brain is trained.

I read a article once about traning the other side. It said to do things that you can with the other side of the body like opening doors or taking a drink even the TV remote. Thanks for the relpy.

Hey Wake,
In this world it has to benefit to be required. The benefit your talking about cost money.

Builder's will build any thing anyone wants. All it takes is money. You and I would be lucky to get just our material cost back out of our builds. Put it on eBay with a high reserve just to see.

To make a little money building little boats start with a lot of money.

Don't get me wrong I want to help as much as I can. I think it will benefit me too.

I've been into RC cars,boat's and things that fly all my life. I can build it, and if the file is done in Master Cam it would be nothing for me to.

Well said Mr Par,

Time is money most dont understand this. Where is the place I can get the most money for my time. That's the place I look to spend my time and money if needed to make more.

about 3% do, I think is the number.

 

Good conversation!

 

The greatest killer of dreams is enthusiasum !!
i HAVE A 1975 semi cabin runabout boat but it is what i wanted ! the basic boat is sound in constriction and the shape is not much changed to whats being sold there days BUT i stripped and did a few changes and its a much better boat than even the newer ones same size . I used to sit in the boat and eat my dinner and think what would i want and where and then thought how would i make it and then just did it ! The cost is nothing ! its just money . If money means more than life its self then you going to die a very unhappy person . Sure i am careful with money and i like to hold in my hand the things i buy ,not just spending on meaningless completely non-essentuals .
When developing products to sell you need to do your home work and listen to what people tell you .
The japanese sit round a table with a group of 10 or more people and they all have there say what ,why and how and when something should be made !! Its never just the whim of any single individual .
Thats why they used to be so successful and there cars are every where and other manufactures used to have to copy there designs to keep up with trends .
The boating industry should be the same ! sure you need a place to start and have fresh new ideas BUT its never the decission of just one person as to the eventuall outcome and what gets made ,its a group decission ! And if the strongest personality tries to stamp his or her feet then he or she has sealed there fate and will never be a part of the group again .
At work round my desk or work area i cove the walls with pictures of all kinds of things boats are just a part . Stimulation and flexing your mind is nessasary if you walk through life with your head in a paper bag or have blinkers on you not an interesting person !!

 

I really like this...especially your last paragraph!!!!

There are so many creative minds in the world. I love to tap into their ideas to inspire new ones within. If you're not doing the same and you successful you must be trying/thinking way to hard!

I am a designer. Not a boat designer, but a Multimedia Designer. I get inspiration from everywhere. Not just other design work, but nature, architecture, materials, etc. Anything that will get the creative juices flowin'.

I appreciate things that are different because they grab my attention. I guess that's why I can't leave anything the way I bought it.

 

Long time back i worked as a set maker for a television station . they were the best 4 years of my life . everyday i was on a high and stimulated and fired up . wasnt one thing we wouldnt or couldnt make !
Working with creative people it rubs off onto you as well .
Going home after a busy day was the low point of my day usually .
I worked with set designers and scenic artists ,graphic artists and costume designers and scrip writers plus sometimes the actors themselves if it was something that had to be specially made .We all bounced ideas off each other and nothing was impossible , making things that seemed to difficult was just another part of learning . could be shown a picture of something an in a short time its was made and worked used and thrown in the bin and on with the next ! . was way before the days of computer special effects so you have to have a pretty wide open mind to ideas to make things happen . Then star wars movies started and that was mind blowing and all us setmakers got taken to the movies to see what was new and the way things were going to go . Now you dont even have to get out of your chair to do what we had to make all by hand !
Clever and differant but still creative and imaginative !!! :idea:

 

Follow your passion Tunnels.

 

Most design teams have "brain storming sessions" or other techniques to gather up ideas for their latest project. It doesn't matter what you use or find for inspiration, just so that it does. Designers by their nature are creative anyway, so it'll come out one way or the other. The real questions are: will it be useful, cost effective, marketable, cost saving, in keeping with other aspects of the design, palatable for the legal department, etc. Most of the ideas will be tossed in the can, but every so often something special turns up, which makes the sometimes laborious brain storming sessions worthwhile. Considering the advances in style, shape, accommodation and performance in the last few decades, it's obvious the designers are effectively utilizing their skills, in spite of what some may believe.

 

Amen brother PAR. Product design of any sort has very real obstacles to design around, it's not all pretty pictures, and it is a lot of work to get it right.

 

PERCEPTION

A man in a subway station started to play the violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for nearly an hour. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was calculated that tens of thousands of people went through the station, most of them on their way to work. In the 45 minutes he played, only six people stopped. Approximately 20 gave him money and continued walking. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition.

No one knew thiit at the time, but the musician in their midst was Joshua Bell, one of the best violinists in the world. He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written with a violin that is valued at 3.5 million dollars. Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a theater in Boston with an average seat of $100. The impromptu concert was a social experiment sent up by the Washington Post.