ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

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  1. rwatson
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    Hmmm, thats a real downer for you.

    Tell you what, I will get one of the the rare bird smugglers to send over three Wallabies, and let them loose close to you.

    In a few years you will have hundreds of tasty snacks leaping past the already established Blue-Gum eucalypt trees already established over there, and you can shoot them for free :p
     
  2. troy2000
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    I have no doubt they would thrive here, in an irrigated valley next to a river and surrounded by desert. I'd not only get to shoot them for free, but farmers would probably pay me for it.

    Hmmm.... I may be looking at a brand new retirement model.:D
     
  3. ImaginaryNumber
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    Of course, any for-profit company will try to position itself to continue making profits. From what I read I understand that all energy companies see the writing on the wall regarding some sort of carbon regulation, and that they would prefer a carbon tax vs carbon cap and trade. So they are trying to push the government in that direction.
     
  4. troy2000
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    Profit is sacrosanct in the Land of Capitalism, or so we're told by its prophets and disciples. So it makes sense that if you want to affect a corporation's actions, you lean on its wallet. And a carbon tax would definitely do that....

    According to this website, 'natural gas produces 43 percent fewer carbon emissions than coal for each unit of energy delivered, and 30 percent fewer emissions than oil.' That's pretty hard to argue with, if it's true.
    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/...other-fossil-fuels/how-natural-gas-works.html

    Although natural gas has its own environmental problems, I don't see that in the long run it's so horrible to maybe stop destroying the Appalachian landscape with brutal and destructive coal-mining methods....

    But of course in the short run, cutting back on coal mining will be hard on communities that have traditionally relied on it for jobs. Seems to me there's an opening there, for entrepreneurs to take advantage of an existing labor force with a good work ethic.
     
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    For buisness the carbon tax is good because it represents a known factor in their buisness plan. Buisness hates uncertainty.
     
  6. Bamby
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    Of course you're all right, but in the end Businesses don't pay taxes. End consumers ultimately pick up the entire tab. Now in some cases such as an aluminum plant in my vicinity is really struggling with competition and power prices already. I can see them closing along with two thousand good paying jobs to go along with all the local coal mining jobs.

    So I'm going to ask just what company going to step in and replace the tens of thousands of jobs providing a living wage? And more walmarts and retail ain't what I'd consider living wage opportunities.
     
  7. michael pierzga
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    What wrong with charging the aluminum plant for energy, carbon, then looking for ways to reduce its taxes and increase its competitiveness ?

    Many way to take the load off industries backs.

    The goal should be ways to make industry more competitive.

    Companies who fail to become energy efficient will collapse when a supply side event like war or politics triple the price of energy. Might as well encourage them along while energy is cheap.

    The exact same can be said of the consumer and society in general.. Become efficient.

    For me all this Global warming ,cuddly polar bear, talk is counterproductive.

    Competitiveness is the issue.
     
  8. hoytedow
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    It is hard to compete when your own government punishes productivity.
     
  9. Bamby
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    michael I see you're from Spain so.. I went to the search engines to so how carbon taxes have worked out for you. Well it appears it ain't so well, is it.

    From Page 32 Here
    Page 33 Same link

    Anyway it's beginning to appear that green and carbon taxes may have put your economy into the doldrums it's experiencing now. :rolleyes:
     
  10. michael pierzga
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    I think you need to study the economy in Spain more carefully. Energy is a pimple on a pigs ***. Competition is the reason why Spanish industry is suffering. Rigid labour laws, 35 hour work week plus an over priced currency.

    It is true that the present carbon trading scheme is less than perfect. No need to throw it out, far better to modify and make it work.

    Simply look at the energy use , economic output of Germany and compare it to the US .

    They will out compete you when things get difficult and oil hits 400 dollars a barrel.

    Cheap energy stunts innovation.
     
  11. Bamby
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    I have no doubt you are right about Germany at all. But I believe it's actually deeper than work ethic itself. German company's tend to have a national pride of putting Germany and it's people first in the way they operate and do business, though that to is probably starting to change.

    In America business have no national pride or interest in attempting to operate in a way that may benefit the country or our citizens it is exclusively about profits. Many business are lacking the modernization and investment needed to remain competitive in their markets. They tend to run them into obsolescence where they are no longer profitable and open state of the art plants in countries where they can pretty much do as they want and generally obtain labor at a pittance wage to boot.

    As to the aluminum smelter mentioned earlier, they'll probably load the smelters into a barge and float them down the Ohio. Where they'll end up operational again in Mexico where labor, environmental, and saftey laws are for the most part almost non-existent.
     
  12. michael pierzga
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    Industrial Competitiveness is a very complex issue.

    Every industrialized country is struggling with it.

    Review the proceedings currently underway in the UK.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20288077

    Giant multinationals can out compete national industries , not because they are good, but because their immense size allows them to become tax efficient and very profitable. The present worldwide system encourages this arbitrage and offshoreing.

    They UK wants to chop these multinationals down to size and make them compete on the same terms as domestic competitors.

    " One of our concerns is that the ability of global companies to choose where to they put their costs and their profits gives them an unfair tax advantage that damages UK-based businesses," she said.

    You will hear very much about this topic in the next decade.
     
  13. Frosty

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    Global climate shift?? Its been raining here since last week , my ropes are green with mold and the awning on the front windows is going green too. Its raining now as write infact I hope I can get this post in if the wifi is still working from the yacht club.

    I m getting worried I tell you if it rains all night again like it did last night Im gonna start collecting male and female anilmals.

    So far the satelite dish is still picking up and I got TV so it must be coming in from the North.
     
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    powerabout Senior Member

    what the US does with soy and then puts it in food is nothing like what asians have been doing for 5000 years
     

  15. Bamby
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    Are you referring to examples such as these?

    Monsanto threatens to sue the entire state of Vermont

    Lawmakers in Vermont are looking to regulate food labels so customers can know which products are made from genetically modified crops, but agricultural giants Monsanto say they will sue if the state follows through.

    Or maybe this:

    Monsanto buys leading bee research firm

    Monsanto, the massive biotechnology company being blamed for contributing to the dwindling bee population, has bought up one of the leading bee collapse research organizations. Recently banned from Poland with one of the primary reasons being that the company’s genetically modified corn may be devastating the dying bee population, it is evident that Monsanto is under serious fire for their role in the downfall of the vital insects. It is therefore quite apparent why Monsanto bought one of the largest bee research firms on the planet.

    It does appear the US is now ran by the corporations for the corporations..:(
     
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