Global Warming? are humans to blame?

Good argument.

 

I'm not saying it's the way to go, just trying to make the point that it could solve the problem of wasted resources.

Also, I would be just as happy with local (US state or county size) government only as well for the entire planet or even no governments at all.

I was mostly trying to speak with yob about the ramifications of a one world government not being as dire as it sounds, because it's not necessarily Hitler running the show.

 

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Thank you. I know that was sarcasm, but thanks anyway.

If there were only one world government, it would degenerate into a tyranny with a Hitleresque figurehead at the top.

You might even call him "The Beast".

 

I'm thinking the "Banks" are now actually running it anyway... and have you been following world events it summing up to tyranny now...

 

Looks bad, but my motto is "Never give up!".

 

Technology to Reduce Dependence on Oil has Been Known For More Than 200 years:

Free energy labeled 'economic terrorism'

Just a few of several examples whereas great and beneficial energy advances for both mankind and the environment have been suppressed and shelved to protect the special interests of the "To Big to Fails"

Fact is here is an entire Directory on Energy Suppression

 

Facts and figures mean nothing when they're taken out of context; and cherry-picking a couple of short-term numbers doesn't disprove an overall trend.

If I proved I was only doing 65 mph the last time I went through Chiriaco Summit on my way to work, and proved I slowed down to 62 mph when I got stuck behind some trucks near Desert Center, it wouldn't erase the fact that I averaged 75 mph for the trip. Nor would it erase the fact that my average speed increased significantly, as I got farther out into the desert....

 

Have some Kool-Aid.

 

You might want to revisit the question of who's drinking the Kool Aid.

I'm not the one here who's listening to conspiracy buffs and paid shills for the petroleum industry, instead of real scientists.

 

A hard point to argue with...

 

I repeat: short-term data doesn't prove (or disprove) anything, when it comes to trends.

The reason Boston posts graphs is so we can see and understand the trends, which is almost impossible to do just by staring at a pile of unsorted raw data. It's rather rude of you to imply he's doing it to deliberately deceive us instead. Particularly since the graphs he posts are commonly accepted by legitimate scientists, whether you believe them or not.

 

Boston trys to support his beliefs.
But occassionally, he screws up, and makes extravagant unfounded claims.
As he did just a day or two back, when he said in post 3028.

 

The reality is that all four major studies and virtually all minor studies of warming in the industrial age come to the same conclusion, even the one funded by the deniers, conducted through Berkley most recently.

The planet is warming at an unprecedented rate
( see http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ and http://www.neaq.org/conservation_and_research/climate_change/climate_change_basics.php)



The simple reason its warming at this unprecedented rate is equally as obvious.

CO2



also note that in the last 650,000 years there is no other point at which CO2 skyrockets as fast as it has in this last 100 years.

It can also easily be shown that there is a direct relationship between CO2 and temp



based on the original research used in creating that last graph ( see http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/310/5750/1009 ) and taken from the original area of study, I'll mark on the graph what the temp today is in the same area of the ocean. According to the following and using a best linear fit, the average is somewhere between 1 and 2°C higher today, than the 28.5°C baseline. ( see
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/docs/wang_grl.pdf and http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...21&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&gbv=2&tbm=isch&um=1&itbs=1
I'll mark on the graph where we are with the SST in the same area of the ocean that the original temps were derived.



Note I found numbers as low as 0.5°C higher and as high as 6°C higher than baseline. I'm going to go with something in the 1~2°C range.

there is a number of slightly differing numbers available for the SST at the equatorial pool ( same place measured in the original graph ) but the following graph is a reasonable representation of the average and is taken from the website provided



I derived my numbers from a best linear fit.

Its pretty obvious that temp is chasing CO2 and that both are rising, on a graph of that resolution, straight up. There is absolutely no doubt, our climate is changing and changing damn fast.

The reality is also, unfortunately, that no mater how much data or information is provided to the deniers, they go right on denying

 

Paying scientist to study CO2 is one waste of a potentially valuable resource. For one thing we all know we all create CO2 in our daily lives, yes even you Boston . Anyway any and all discussion about the topic is a tea total waste of time and money I should add. What this world needs is a economical climate friendly alternate energy that can replace carbon based fuels.

The only solution as Boston is stating it is for government and maybe homeland security to raid each and every individuals home and confiscate our lawn mowers, chain saws, weed eaters, cars and pickups and send them to huge regional Obama crushers to be destroyed.

Forever crying about a problem is a useless waste of a resource, dig in and find a realistic solution.