TP52s

Jim Hauser

Yes there will be an IRC scoring component at PSSC, but it isn't known who will be participating at this time. That doesn't mean the P0 fleet will be participating as such. Clean the earwax out of your ears before you skulk around the edges of conversations Frankie.

Hey, I did have an ear ache on Saturday night. Who are you Jim? Anyway this was a direct conversation. One on one. No skulking.

TG hasn't done a thing to warrant a sporstmanship protest, quit the libelous claims. Innuendo to discredit such an active, supportive member of sailing is bad form. If anyone has a case she, Teeters, and Farr have one against you.

Jim, why do you do this? You must hate Sudie Parker. Not only did Tripp Gal destroy a working relationship between board members at South Sound Sailing Society but she encouraged the theft of Society proprety, to wit, a Bullitine Board and Society Records as well as an Election. On top of that she put crew in harms way by not ensuring that her vessel was ready for the Swiftsure - meaning it could be reefed - and by finding it humiliating to use an engine to recover a man overboard. There are two undisputable unsportsman-like conducts in the sport. One is theft, and two is endangering unnecessarily the crew. If she has not already been given a warning I would be surprised. But then perhaps not. Being connected means you get awards for misbehaving. :idea:

You are aware that I had prepared a 69 report naming Sudie Parker and had submitted that to Toliva Shoal officials as well as the Series Officials, are you not? Yes at the plead of my Commodore I withdrew it. But it was serious and I thought the warning shot clear. I think any rational human would. But then there was election meddling. How many warniing shots must be fired.

Get out of the way!!!!! The new designs are what two days faster at a Transpac? IRC in the US means there will not be a dumping ground for the obsolete TP52s or Tripp 47s in the US. It means PHRF will have to at least appear proper and not an old-boys club where being connected means favorable ratings and protection from protests. Can the shots be any clearer?

Yes they can. And the shot fired by Taylor into the gut of that Jim Teeters should have been the end of it. It was a gut blower. Taylor disagreed with Teeters, testifying that there is no design flaw in the Mac26x and that the boat can be operated safely, and Taylor's expert witness testimony basically devastated the principles Teeters has supported which are the principles of the TP52 box rule. As to Farr - what did I do to him? I point out that Farr International is no more and this is bad? It is fact! I point out that Farr Yachts appears to have abandoned TP52s for Volvo 70s and movable ballast and this is bad. Farr is a rat deserting the sinking ships - is that what you are saying. Ha Ha. I crack my self up sometimes.

Lets give it a rest. The TP52s doing the transpac and the results of the race will be known sooner than we all had anticipated. While it will prove nothing, designers might be able to form opinions on fixed ballast vs movable ballast. I do try to keep an open mind. There is nothing except close mindedness preventing the TP52s from being modified so the fins are lighter and inertial water ballast can be added for the rough weather conditions. I still think the design rules create boats that heel to much but even here if roller furling is added you do not need to put bow persons at risk so often if at all.

 

Frank!!! Where you on board Tripp_gal's boat during Swiftsure????? Funny I didn't see you. The how the hell can you make claims like this? I was on board and in no way was the boat or it's crew in any danger. In fact I feel twice as safe now as before the race and I bet if you where to ask the crew member who went overboard I'd bet he would agree with me. And another thing You are making a claim about the BB that has already been declared false by the owner and moderator. That makes that a bold false LIE!!! AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!! I am getting tired of your character assasignation of people that I care about. you have absolutly no and I repeat NO facts to back up your claims. I think you feel that by just repeating this Sh*t enough times it will be true and all it does is proves more and more that you are just a F**king a**hole and I'll tell it to your face if I see you on Weds. God I'm so F**king mad at you right now I can hardly type.......


Oh by the way, If you are so sure that you are still the Club Secratary, then why did you turn in all the club property without a word?

 

Not necessarily "bad", Migho, just wrong. We are currently starting to build a brand new Farr TP52, no relation to the last generation (who seem to be set to either win or do very well in the TransPac).
Now, Farr could argue that your statement above could be construed as detrimental to their business, since it may keep prospective TP52 clients away from their door for no reason other than your mistake (we'll assume it's a mistake for now, shall we?). This could get them riled up, were it not for the fact that one read of this thread would put them to sleep before they got that far...
G'night,
Steve

 

Reemul,

Frank!!! Where you on board Tripp_gal's boat during Swiftsure?????

Reemel, It was her own words, written down and provided publically on the internet.

Funny I didn't see you. The how the hell can you make claims like this?

Again her own words. All discussed in this thread. You must have missed them

I was on board and in no way was the boat or it's crew in any danger. In fact I feel twice as safe now as before the race and I bet if you where to ask the crew member who went overboard I'd bet he would agree with me.

I bet so as well. Such are the ways of a criminal organization. In fact I bet you are putting her up for US SAILING’s Arthur B. Hanson Rescue Medal http://www.ussailing.org/pressreleases/2005/rescuebalder.htm. Thank God for White Cloud. Witnesses.

And another thing You are making a claim about the BB that has already been declared false by the owner and moderator. That makes that a bold false LIE!!! AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!

You know I did post written committee data impeaching part if not all of his testimony. Both Sean and you were named in the 69 report as folks to be contacted should Toliva Shoals, Series, PHRF or US Sailing desire to persue it. The board very clearly made Rich the Moderator and when it comes to my posts he did an excellent job. Sean had no business (ouside of funny business) pretending to be moderator. He certainly should not have dishonered the Office of Secretary, when I identified myself and even phoned him by shutting down the BB. As a Member he is charged with Stewardship of the club assets. Those include the Bylaws of the club as well as the BB.

I am getting tired of your character assasignation of people that I care about. you have absolutly no and I repeat NO facts to back up your claims. I think you feel that by just repeating this Sh*t enough times it will be true and all it does is proves more and more that you are just a F**king a**hole and I'll tell it to your face if I see you on Weds. God I'm so F**king mad at you right now I can hardly type.......

Sailing isn't Life and Death - It is More Than That. It is a shame that I now can not bring my crew on Wednesday. I will not put crew at risk. BTW, I needed a BLUE flag, now I must sail with the pure of heart. You are not tired of character assasination because you keep on a collision course. I do not bring these matters to attention. You do. But I do like airing them. It is Sailing's Progressive Internet after all.

Oh by the way, If you are so sure that you are still the Club Secratary, then why did you turn in all the club property without a word?

My wife/ crew felt threatened Truth is that the current club files, notes on meetings, membership updates, handbook material, etc was taken in a blink of an eye while the treasurer was reimbursing me and I was paying attention to the awards cerimony. They were taken by skallywag pirates.

I had joked that steeling the two feathers of the scribe (the Secretary's Burgee) was the only way the PHRF-connected would ever get it and had implied I would be drunk during the meeting. Only it was a dry night. My true intention was to catch our past commodore in the act. It is only he I thought so bold. But alas - even sopriety is no match for the truely talented scallywag. Such has it always been among sailors. It is our reputation and a reason the power boaters dislike us as a whole.

The position of Secretary is so powerful because by simply writing the official minutes of the General meeting it can all be undone. The Secretary of a proper society also is like the Secretary of State and certifies an election. It is also useful to know that voting a Member out of the club doesn't remove him from the Board. We can have outside Board Members. Anyway, I do not intend to make waves. We are all mates. The game being played is to devide The Society to benifit the PHRF-connected. We now play an IRC game. A game where US Sailing rises with the tide that lifts all US sailors.

You are lifting a center blank during the races are you not?

 

Excuses, excuses, Nobody is at risk other than by your sailing skills. As for needing a blue flag, All you need to do is tell Steve you are racing B-fleet. In fact, Just say you are now and I'll make sure he scores you that way.

It sure is funny how every time you are challenged to come out, you find some reason why you can't. To me it's just proves that you are only talk and no action.

 

Count on me Wednesday. It is "my series" after all. I am rated for B fleet. Steve knows this. Funny you do not. Contrary to what has been posted on Sailing Anarchy, when a B fleeter races in Cruising Class they race at the disadvantage of a rating that assumes the use of a spinakker. Lets hope for wind and a good turn out.

 

Good that you are coming out. But wrong about the rating. I race now with a 182 rating and raced in D- fleet with a 200 due to the fact I was not using a flying sail. I then raced my first series in B-fleet with the 200 because I was not using a chute then either. As soon as I started then I went to my PHRF handicap. The same is true with you. If you come to B-fleet and decide not to use your chute (before the first race starts), then you can use the same handicap you are using in D-fleet. If however, you do decided to use your chute then then you will use your PHRF handicap. However, I will tell Steve you are in B-fleet starting Weds.

 

Frank you are not a US Sailing Judge - there for you CANNOT institute a RRS 69 hearing, not now not ever. Only the PC can do such - not the compedators. The TP52 looks like it will hold the corrected time award for the Transpac - must sting a bit.

Interesting Post. The 05-08 racing rules allow anyone - even someone not connected with sailing to file a RRS 69 report. SSSS is likely the last US club still sailing under the old rules. That gives way in September. But under the old rules I do believe that you had to be a competitor to file a report. You are correct only a commitee can call a hearing. But again any one can file.

Kahn is a great man. He knows what he is doing and proved something. I look forward to reading what he says about his brand new TP52 and why she put all other TP52s into obsolete class. Other TP52 owners also got a bit of a sting. I am happy for Kahn. I did wish Barking Spider III better. Well it isn't over till its over.

For huomors sake what position do you think you are capable of crewing in on a TP 52 in a regatta?

Oh - of course Owner. Is there any other position of worth? I am joking of course. However, I am a 50 year old. Folks close to that if not older do crew in the Olympics. I suspect anything Kahn does I am capable of. And yet Kahn has that Tasar simulator - Is one in operation in the Pacific Northwest? There is no doubt that the small boat sailor is better than one who learned on a big boat.

3 of the last 5 TP 52's have been Farr designs - more lies from the grand hack.

What a spin. Of course I know this the molds were dumped in Spain. Pitty the King.

Also TP 52's are capable of crushing in IRC - see earlier posts which you seem to not want to comment on.

Let it sink in. Off course if one race or even twenty of them proved anything we would all be looking at Finisterre type vessels right now. Perhaps we are going to be looking at them.


Care to own up yet to any of your lies:
# of 52 never reaching more than 20
That you are the current secratary of SSSS
That TP 52 are unsafe of tran pacific crossings
Any other of the overwhelming number of lies you have told here and elsewhere?

I do not lie. I post only what I believe to be true. Of course having an open mind means I reserve the right to change my mind. Lets see now. Why will the TP52s from the Med not race across the Atlantic for the December meet? Is it investment protection, inability to get insurance, or seaworthiness? Or do folks just not care any more. Will they even show up? The TP52s were obsoleted the day Teeters had the US Sailing delegates walk out of the Grand Prix Rule Working Party. The game since that day has been to find way to recover part of the significant investment made by those that supported the TP52 box rule. The market to be exploited in recovering that investment - that sunk cost - was to have been the West Coast of the US. Keep them out of my back yard. We already have BraveHeart. One is enough. Plus I am tired of the US being the dumping ground for products Europe finds inferior. Damn have you seen what DC has done in Wooden Boats Magazine. You are better off restoring a 1930s vessel than messing with a TP52. Thats an opinon, but it appears to be supported by those who have lived on the correct about sailing coast of the US for even a short period of time. West is the Best place for a sailor. Move west you designers move west and build boats in China - like Perry.

 

Can't argue with the fleet captain. I will find a blue rag someplace or you can drop a flag off on Murrelet. ByTheWay what was with the dinky batton someone left on deck? Not mine - likely belonged to a J-Boat. No collisions now

 

Frank the above statement is a complete falsehood or to make it easier for you to understand it’s a lie.

 

You see, possession is 9/10ths. the BB was located at http://www.pacificfog.net/phpbb/******** Which was in a place that Sean payed for, along with his images, to live in. The BB was simply a donation. Failure to realize that is crap. Sean could do whatever he wants with that info, SSSS does not own it. His paid-for domain from his hard work is not SSSS property. It may have been linked to from the SSSS site, but so are several other sites including NOAA. You can't possibly think that a link constitutes ownership...can you? Sean, BTW, has every right to be a moderator, it's his site. Get a clew.

 

Defender - the molds were never in Newport, they were in Bristol, RI. "Were" being the operative word.
Either way, the molds are gone, as are those for the subsequent generation. New generation coming soon...
Steve

 

Pacific Fog

Frank the above statement is a complete falsehood or to make it easier for you to understand it’s a lie.

Damn it! How is this sport ever going to gain respectability when folks ignore not only Bylaws and Racing Rules but also the law of the land. Argh - so be it. We let Fly anyway. I sacrifice one crew to the meham on Wednesday if it so happens. We have only a garden sprayer to defend our selves from the pirates who would have us surrender or die. Oh wait we also have one hell of an engine to escape with

The content of the board has always been considered a club asset and The Society never gave you Sean authorization to behave as moderator or dishonor the Office of the Secretary. You were fed S#%t by those who would harm us and object to our ways. The ways of secret and proper elections, the ways of Roberts Rules of Orders, the ways of US Sailing now on paper, soon in fact. The way where every member is a steward of the Society and the board is but and instrumentality of the Membership. This is the reverse of Top Down Management - it is the piramid turned upside down. It is Anarchy to you - it is democracy to those who are not connected and wish the sailing sport in the US to excell. Excell with monohulls that sail like the multis and crews that have been trained to operate them so they are competitive internationally.

I have heard it all, from the board belongs to Shrew to it was an experiment. All after the fact spin to something that should not have happened.

The fact is we advertised the BB as being something provided for by the membership fees. That is covered in the Handbook. It is in black and white on paper, just as the commitee report you participated in is.

The fact is that we are better than a Saint Francis Yacht Club or an Olympia Yacht Club or Olympia Sailing Foundation in content production and our BB is a strong reason for being a Member. Taking that away turns The Society into an Olympia Only club and reduces it to something that is not needed in the new age of sailing and something not suported by our Goals - which are to grow the Sailing Sport for all who are interested in South Puget Sound, that area starting at least from Seattle and extending as far as the Columbia River and likely beyond.

We already have an Olympia Yacht Club. We do not need or want a second. Our SSSS Burgee flys in Hawaii, in the Galapagos, in the BVI, hell it probably flys world wide. Our model works. It generates interest. There isn't an SSSS boat racing that needs crew any more. The SSSS Burgee flys proudest of all. Hell even our Founder is considering rejoining. I really want to know that story. What the hell happened 30 years ago. Something more than a divorce turned her away. How many walking wounded are about to rejoin? You know our member list actually has 1400 sailors. But only 600 are covered by membership fees and that represents only about 300 votes. We are so much greater than PHRF- NW wants us to be. Let it Go.

If the SSSS Board is to cowardly to deal with this or commit to working with Sailing Anarchy then it will be dealt with by Fuzzy Monkey Unofficially. I will make it so. Work with me instead. This really is an exciting time to be sailing. So much possitive change is in the works.

 

Frank I have tried to talk with as a reasonable man, I have tried to teach you as I would someone new to the sport - each time your claims, untruths and lies have been reposted after corrections have been made. Now I treat you as you have earned - as a ***** unwilling or incapable of seeing or speaking the truth. The TP 52's so outclass your little toy in terms of performance, raw speed, seaworthiness and talent that my guess is you are simply a bitter old man who just can't stand the fact that he has neither the time, talent or resources to play at the GP level. To this end you have built up this who fantasy world that you quote fantasy as fact - please seek help from those who offer it in the future, you may still find those who are willing.

Defender, I am flattered that you think a Mac26x can be compared to a TP52 but calling them toys is fighting words. Apply standard it is out of control spin to one who presents a different viewpoint. Claim the man, me, is dilusional. Ha Ha - Naval Archetects have discredited the TP52 box rules. The GP RWC rejected mathematically derived LPS as a factor predictive of stability. ISAF for seven years has been encouraging the use of movable ballast both water and canting. The TP52 box rules are the last of IMS. Vessels like Mac26x cruisers are in prime time. Vessels like TP52s are on borrowed time. I am just a messanger. Consider me entertainment. But do consider that things are different. Did we all enjoy todays day out of time

 

moveable ballast is dangerous sometimes but useful if you become inverted