Last voyage for Costa Concordia cruise ship

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  1. smartbight
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  2. armando12
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    I think that your conclusion is the most probable one.
    I am almost sure that there were no thrusters in use.

    The complete blackout few seconds after she hit the rocks caused (IMHO) a major failure of electronic system (including engine, rudder etc.) so the crew couldn't actually do anything.

    It took her more than 30 minutes to get from point A to B (see the image below), so it is very unlikely that thrusters were in use.

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    All the alarms went off. I have left the central to go open the aspiration of large masses (ital.: "aspirazione grandi masse").
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    Did they have "high pressure high volunm air" as anti-flooding control?
     
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    I had wondered if there was a way to displace the captain if he was disabled by the stress.
    Apparently there is:

    "At about 10:30 p.m., the officers mutinied on the bridge of the capsizing Concordia. Apparently only one officer, a Greek, was still on Schettino's side. The others decided that Roberto Bosio, a captain from Liguria and who was on board as a guest, would assume command of the ship. Bosio, anxious to begin the evacuation immediately, started issuing orders."
     
  6. Jolly Amaranto
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    OK, this begs the question, if he was technically relieved of his command, was he then also relieved of all his authority and responsibility concerning the ship?
     
  7. Gian Milan

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    They are sending a movie of the old Clint ...Escape from Alcatraz.

    I ask myself why a prison called the rock reminds me of an Italian ship's captain.
     
  8. mydauphin
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    If you build it long enough, tall enough, make it lighter, fancier, with all the latest electronics, and you save money on bulkheads and watertight compartments, plate thickness, then give it to a fool to command... It will sink and kill people.

    Remember the captains comments.... It is dark, where the hell was the emergency lighting on a separate battery circuit. Oh, they probably saved some money there too.
     
  9. powerabout
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    the ship will be as dangerous as class allows??
     
  10. Jolly Amaranto
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    Schettino will still be responsible for the collision and delaying the order to abandon ship for way too long, but once he was ousted from command, he was even more useless. Maybe it was well that he "fell into a life boat" and was no longer in the way making poor decisions.

    Voting for the Hall of Shame will commence soon after the investigation.
     
  11. hoytedow
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    That would also explain why he was so reluctant to re-board the ship.
     
  12. Gian Milan

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    little by little, we begin to reason.
    it was time ....

    What's cost to do up to the waterline with a thickness of 150 mm sides?

    - approximately 6,500 tons of iron.
    - Approximately 15,000,000 euros.

    Angle of dynamic stability? certainly the advantage would be considerable .. more than remarkable.
    A rock, a collision with another ship or iceberg could still do damage, but there would be a long time to abandon ship.


    Let us always remember that this type of boat charged to at least 4000 people.
    Not being a normal ships, not normal building regulations may apply.

    Let us remember also that those who pay, will always prefer to save on costs.

    And until "the experts" do the easy irony, they can continue to save money at the expense of safety.

    when someone shows you the moon, stop looking at the finger!
     
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  13. Hawkboat
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    Still not much info to go on, but it's starting to look like just pure luck that we aren't looking at 1000+ casualties here.

    We may see a double hull requirement come out of this, or at least a 'citadel' zone(s) for key equipment. If the reports are true, and pumps could not start because of flood induced power loss, then clearly things need to be re-thought.

    Perhaps we'll also see a 'sea traffic control' for large passenger vessels, with enforcement of established norms of speed and proximity to danger, exclusion zones etc. With tracking already in place, such enforcement may not be too difficult to establish. Accepted norms may take some time to hash out.

    Whatever the case, let's hope we stray from history a bit and make changes based on a near miss, rather than wait for a large body count before implementing improvements.
     
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    Was it not working before the accident? I can't believe that they can't forensically get data off it.
     

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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Looked up those images and attached them as this is intersting . . . . :idea:

    The intact stabilizer and the big gash aft of it shows the ship not grazed the rock but took a huge side impact in a big sideway motion of the stern towards the rock . . . . . . .

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    His correction seems just as stupid as going there in the first place . . :mad:

    ‘‘ Schettino ordered the wheel to be turned “full to the right” and called for the engines to be thrown in “full reverse”, but it was too late. ’’

    Large forward motion + full reverse power + wheel full to starboard = huge stern swing to port, towards the rock . . :(

    Maybe he had missed the rock or just grazed, and loose the stabilizer, if he had throttled down and turned the wheel half of max to starboard . . :cool:

    Use of bow and stern thrusters* full to starboard sure would also have helped . . :idea:

    * if always on stand by for immediate use - who knows that . . ? ?

    Cheers,
    Angel

    P.S. - See post#742, and further, for an explanation which elaborate on this issue.
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