Conspiracy theories and lost opportunities (just for fun)

Speaking of conspiracies- do you folks know that the brachiopods dominated, I say DOMINATED the benthos for millions of years?

Think how much simpler it would be for all of us if we didn't need to pry open all those tasty bivalves.

Why the change?
Why couldn't we have kept with what worked better for us all?

I am sensing more dark forces at work..
Perhaps the clam knife manufactures have their hand in this:




We may never know the truth- but I have deep suspicions.

 

I could tell ya but......

Well you know how that one goes.

 

I think that is an avenue that has never been followed up, certainly not very well publicised. I would like to see evidence that all the flights took place, lists of the passengers and some follow up with their connections. Who is to say that the flights were not filled with agents and landed at a private airfield. I read somewhere that one exists close to New York. I also read somewhere that two of the aircraft are still registered.

 

Have you ever had to stand and receive that flag?
I have

You seem to have abandoned compassion or not known loss.

Try replacing your idle theories with real and never ending empathy for those who lost loved ones.

 

My condolences. and point well taken.

 

I am very concerned about the innocent lives lost that day, so concerned that I would turn over any stone to find out why, and by who, were these lives taken. My point was that I had never seen any comments or investigations into the flights and those aboard them although there are all sorts of theories about the planes. I daresay the information exists, but I have never seen it.

 

Did you ever look?

Here is the list of the hundreds who died on the planes:



People killed in plane attacks
Lists of victims

American Airlines Flight 11: A Boeing 767 en route from Boston to Los Angeles. The plane, carrying 81 passengers, nine flight attendants and two pilots, crashed into a tower of New York's World Trade Center about 8:45 a.m. ET.

Crew:

Barbara Arestegui, 38, Marstons Mills, Mass., flight attendant
Jeffrey Collman, 41, Novato, Calif., flight attendant
Sara Low, 28, Batesville, Ark., flight attendant
Karen Martin, 40, Danvers, Mass., flight attendant
Thomas McGuinness, 42, Portsmouth, N.H., first officer
Kathleen Nicosia, flight attendant
John Ogonowski, 52, Dracut, Mass., captain
Betty Ong, 45, Andover, Mass., flight attendant
Jean Roger, 24, Longmeadow, Mass., flight attendant
Dianne Snyder, 42, Westport, Mass., flight attendant
Madeline Sweeney, 35, Acton, Mass., flight attendant

Passengers:

Anna Williams Allison, 48, Stoneham, Mass., founder, A2 Software Solutions
David Angell, 54, Pasadena, Calif., executive producer, NBC's ''Frasier''
Lynn Angell, Pasadena, Calif.
Seima Aoyama
Myra Aronson, 52, Charlestown, Mass., press and analyst relations manager
Christine Barbuto, 32, Brookline, Mass., TJX Co.
Carolyn Beug, 48, Los Angeles, Calif.
Kelly Booms, 24, Boston, Mass., PricewaterhouseCoopers
Carol Bouchard, 43, Warwick, R.I., emergency room secretary, Kent County Hospital
Neilie Casey, 32, Wellesley, Mass., TJX Co.
Jeffrey Coombs, 42, Abington, Mass., security analyst, Compaq
Tara Creamer, 30, Worcester, Mass.
Thelma Cuccinello, 71, Wilmot, N.H.
Patrick Currivan
Brian Dale, 43, Warren, N.J.
David DiMeglio, Wakefield, Mass.
Donald Ditullio, 49, Peabody, Mass., Smith and Nephew
Albert Dominguez, 65, Sydney, Australia
Alex Filipov, 70, Concord, Mass., electrical engineer
Carol Flyzik, 40, Plaistow, N.H.
Paul Friedman
Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, Brookline, Mass., John Hancock
Peter Gay, 54, Tewksbury, Mass., plant manager, Raytheon Co.
Linda George, 27, Westboro, Mass., TJX Co.
Edmund Glazer, 41, Los Angeles, Calif., chief financial officer, MRV Communications
Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, Needham, Mass., TJX Co.
Andrew Curry Green, 34, Los Angeles, Calif., director of business development, eLogic
Paige Farley Hackel, 46, Newton, Mass., spiritual counselor
Peter Hashem, 40, Tewksbury, Mass., salesman
Robert Hayes, 37, Amesbury, Mass., sales engineer, Netstal
Ted Hennessey, 35, Belmont, Mass., consultant
John Hofer
Cora Holland, 52, Sudbury, Mass., Sudbury Food Pantry at Our Lady of Fatima Church
Nicholas Humber, 60, Newton, Mass., owner, Brae Burn Management
John Jenkins, 45, Cambridge, Mass., corporate office services manager, Charles River Associates
Charles Jones, 48, Bedford, Mass., computer programmer
Robin Kaplan, 33, Westboro, Mass., TJX Co.
Barbara Keating, 72, Palm Springs, Calif.
David Kovalcin, 42, Hudson, N.H.
Judy Larocque, 50, Framingham, Mass., founder and CEO, Market Perspectives
N. Janis Lasden, 46, Peabody, Mass., General Electric
Daniel John Lee, 34, Los Angeles, Calif.
Daniel C. Lewin, 31, co-founder, Akamai Technologies
Susan MacKay, 44, Westford, Mass., TJX Co.
Chris Mello, 25, Boston, Mass., analyst
Jeff Mladenik, 43, Hinsdale, Ill., interim president, E-Logic
Antonio Montoya, 46, East Boston, Mass., housekeeping worker, Boston Harbor Hotel
Carlos Montoya
Laura Lee Morabito, 34, Framingham, Mass., national sales manager, Qantas Airways
Mildred Naiman, Andover, Mass.
Laurie Neira
Renee Newell, 37, Cranston, R.I., customer service agent, American Airlines
Jacqueline Norton, 60, Lubec, Maine, retiree
Robert Norton, 82, Lubec, Maine, retiree
Jane Orth, 49, Haverhill, Mass., retiree, Lucent Technologies
Thomas Pecorelli, 31, Los Angeles, Calif., cameraman, Fox Sports and E! Entertainment Television
Berry Berenson Perkins, 53, Wellfleet, Mass., actress and photographer
Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, Dover, Mass., former ballet dancer
David Retik, Needham, Mass.
Philip Rosenzweig, Acton, Mass., executive, Sun Microsystems
Richard Ross, 58, Newton, Mass., Ross Group
Jessica Sachs, 22, Billerica, Mass., accountant, PricewaterhouseCoopers
Rahma Salie, 28, Boston, Mass.
Heather Smith, 30, Boston, Mass., Beacon Capital Partners
Douglas Stone, 54, Dover, N.H.
Xavier Suarez
Michael Theodoridis, 32, Boston, Mass., consultant
James Trentini, 65, Everett, Mass., retired teacher and assistant principal
Mary Trentini, 67, Everett, Mass., retired secretary
Pendyala Vamsikrishna, 30, Los Angeles, Calif., project manager for consulting firm, DTI
Mary Wahlstrom, 75, Kaysville, Utah
Kenneth Waldie, 46, Methuen, Mass., Raytheon Co.
John Wenckus, 46, Torrance, Calif., tax consultant
Candace Lee Williams, 20, Danbury, Conn., student
Christopher Zarba, 47, Hopkinton, Mass., software engineer, Concord Communications

United Airlines Flight 175: A Boeing 767 bound from Boston to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 56 passengers, two pilots and seven flight attendants. It crashed into the other tower of the World Trade Center shortly after 9 a.m.

Crew:

Robert Fangman, 33, Claymont, Del., flight attendant
Michael Horrocks, 38, Glen Mills, Pa., first officer
Amy Jarret, 28, North Smithfield, R.I., flight attendant
Amy King, 29, Stafford Springs, Conn.,flight attendant
Kathryn LaBorie, flight attendant
Alfred Marchand, 44, Alamogordo, N.M., flight attendant
Victor J. Saracini, 51, Lower Makefield Township, Pa., captain
Michael Tarrou, 38, Stafford Springs, Conn., flight attendant
Alicia N. Titus, 28, San Francisco, flight attendant

Passengers:

Alona Avraham, 30, Ashdod, Israel
Garnet ''Ace'' Bailey, 53, Lynnfield, Mass., pro hockey scouting director, Los Angeles Kings
Mark Bavis, 31, West Newton, Mass., pro hockey scout, Los Angeles Kings
Graham Berkeley, 37, Wellesley, Mass.
Touri Bolourchi, 69, Beverly Hills, Calif.
Klaus Bothe, 31, chief of development, BCT Technology AG (Germany)
Daniel Brandhorst, 42, Los Angeles, Calif., lawyer, PricewaterhouseCoopers
David Brandhorst, 3, Los Angeles, Calif.
John Cahill, 56, Wellesley, Mass., senior executive, Xerox
Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, Turner Falls, Mass., computer research specialist, University of Massachusetts
John ''Jay'' Corcoran, 44, Norwell, Mass., merchant marine
Gloria de Barrera, 49, El Salvador, exporter
Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, Long Beach, Calif.
Lisa Frost, 22, Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif., sales and marketing associate
Ronald Gamboa, 33, Los Angeles, Calif., store manager, The Gap
Lynn Goodchild, 25, Attleboro, Mass., Putnam Investments
Francis Grogan, 76, Easton, Mass., priest, Holy Cross Church
Carl Hammond, 37, Boston, Mass.
Christine Hanson, 3, Groton, Mass.
Peter Hanson, 32, Groton, Mass., software salesman
Susan Hanson, 35, Groton, Mass., student
Gerald F. Hardacre, 62, Carlsbad, Calif.
Eric Hartono, 20, Boston, Mass.
James E. Hayden, 47, Westford, Mass., chief financial officer, Netegrity Inc.
Herbert Homer, 48, Milford, Mass., corporate executive, Raytheon Co.
Robert Jalbert, 61, Swampscott, Mass., salesman
Ralph Kershaw, 52, Manchester-by-the-Sea, Mass., marine surveyor
Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman, BCT Technology AG (Germany)
Brian Kinney, 29, Lowell, Mass., auditor, PricewaterhouseCoopers
Robert LeBlanc, 70, Lee, N.H., professor emeritus of geography, University of New Hampshire
Maclovio ''Joe'' Lopez Jr., 41, Norwalk, Calif.
Marianne MacFarlane, 34, Revere, Mass., customer service representative,
Louis Neil Mariani, 59, Derry, N.H.
Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, New London, Conn.
Ruth McCourt, 45, New London, Conn., founder, Clifford Classique
Wolfgang Menzel, 60, personnel manager, BCT Technology AG (Germany)
Shawn Nassaney, 25, Pawtucket, R.I., American Power Conversion
Marie Pappalardo
Patrick Quigley, 40, Wellesley, Mass., partner, PricewaterhouseCoopers
Frederick Rimmele, Marblehead, Mass., physician
James M. Roux, 43, Portland, Maine, lawyer
Jesus Sanchez, 45, Hudson, Mass., off-duty flight attendant
Kathleen Shearer, Dover, N.H.
Robert Shearer, Dover, N.H.
Jane Simpkin, 35, Wayland, Mass.
Brian D. Sweeney, 38, Barnstable, Mass., business consultant
Timothy Ward, 38, San Diego, Calif., information technology project manager, Rubio's Restaurants
William Weems, 46, Marblehead, Mass., commercial producer

American Airlines Flight 77: A Boeing 757 en route from Dulles Airport near Washington to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots. It crashed into the Pentagon about 9:40 a.m.

Crew:

Charles Burlingame, 51, Va., captain
David Charlebois, Washington, D.C., first officer
Michele Heidenberger, 57, Chevy Chase, Md., flight attendant
Jennifer Lewis, 38, Culpeper, Va., flight attendant
Kenneth Lewis, 49, Culpeper, Va., flight attendant
Renee May, 39, Baltimore, flight attendant

Passengers:

Paul Ambrose, 32, physician
Yeneneh Betru, 35, Burbank, Calif., director of medical affairs, IPC
MJ Booth
Bernard Brown, 11, student, Leckie Elementary School (Washington)
Suzanne Calley, 42, San Martin, Calif., Cisco Systems Inc.
William E. Caswell, 54, Silver Spring, Md., physicist, U.S. Navy
Sarah Clark, 65, Columbia, Md., sixth-grade teacher, Backus Middle School (Washington)
Zandra Cooper, Annandale, Va.
Asia Cottom, 11, student, Backus Middle School (Washington)
James Debeuneure, 58, Upper Marlboro, Md., fifth-grade teacher, Ketcham Elementary School (Washington)
Rodney Dickens, 11, student, Ketcham Elementary School (Washington)
Eddie Dillard
Charles Droz, 52, Springfield, Va., vice president for software development, EM Solutions Inc.
Barbara G. Edwards, 58, Las Vegas, Nev., teacher, Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas
Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, University Park, Md., research director, ECOlogic Corp.
Dana Falkenberg, 3, University Park, Md.
Zoe Falkenberg, 8, University Park, Md.
James Joe Ferguson, 39, Washington, D.C., educational outreach director, National Geographic Society
Darlene ''Dee'' Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va.
Wilson ''Bud'' Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va., retired Navy Admiral and pilot, American Airlines
Richard P. Gabriel Sr., 54, Great Falls, Va., founder, Stratin Consulting
Ian Gray, 55, Washington, D.C., healthcare consulting firm president
Stanley Hall, 68, Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif.
Bryan Jack, 48, Alexandria, Va., senior executive, Defense Department
Steven D. ''Jake'' Jacoby, 43, Alexandria, Va., chief operating officer, Metrocall Inc.
Ann Judge, 49, Great Falls, Va., travel officer manager, National Geographic Society
Chandler Keller, 29, El Segundo, Calif., propulsion engineer, Boeing Co.
Yvonne Kennedy
Norma Khan, 45, Reston, Va., nonprofit organization manager,
Karen A. Kincaid, 40, lawyer, Wiley Rein & Fielding in Washington
Dong Lee, 48, Leesburg, Va., engineer, Boeing Co.
Dora Menchaca, 45, Santa Monica, Calif., associate director of clinical research for biotech firm
Christopher Newton, 38, Ashburn, Va., executive, WorkLife Benefits
Barbara Olson, 45, TV commentator and lawyer
Ruben Ornedo, 39, Los Angeles, Calif., propulsion engineer, Boeing Co.
Robert Penniger, 63, Poway, Calif., electrical engineer, BAE Systems
Robert R. Ploger III, 59, Annandale, Va., software architect, Lockheed Martin Corp.
Lisa J. Raines, 42, Great Falls, Va., senior vice president, Genzyme Corp.
Todd Reuben, 40, Potomac, Md., tax and business lawyer
John Sammartino, 37, Annandale, Va., technical manager, XonTech Inc.
Yang Shuyin, 61, Beijing, China
Diane Simmons
George Simmons
Mari-Rae Sopper, 35, Santa Barbara, Calif., women's gymnastics coach, UC Santa Barbara
Robert Speisman, 47, Irvington, N.Y., diamond industry salesman
Norma Lang Steuerle, 54, Alexandria, Va.
Hilda Taylor, sixth grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington
Leonard Taylor, 44, Reston, Va., technical group manager, XonTech Inc.
Sandra Teague, 31, physical therapist, Georgetown University Hospital
Leslie A. Whittington, 45, University Park, Md., professor, Georgetown University
John Yamnicky, 71, Waldorf, Md.
Vicki Yancey, 44, Springfield, Va., Vredenburg
Zheng Yuguang, 65, Beijing, China

United Airlines Flight 93: A Boeing 757 en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco. The plane was carrying 37 passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants. It crashed southeast of Pittsburgh around 10 a.m ET Tuesday.

Crew:

Lorraine Bay, Hightstown, N.J., flight attendant
Sandra Bradshaw, 38, Greensboro, N.C., flight attendant
Jason Dahl, 43, Denver, captain
Wanda Green, 49, Linden, N.J., flight attendant
LeRoy Homer, 36, Marlton, N.J., first officer
CeeCee Lyles, Fort Myers, Fla., flight attendant
Deborah Welsh, 49, New York, N.Y., flight attendant

Passengers:

Christian Adams, 37, Biebelsheim, Germany, foreign sales manager, German Wine Fund
Todd Beamer, 32, of Cranbury, N.J., account manager, Oracle Corp.
Alan Beaven, 48, Oakland, Calif., environmental lawyer
Mark Bingham, 31, San Francisco, public relations firm owner
Deora Bodley, 20, Santa Clara, Calif., university student
Marion Britton, 53, assistant regional director, U.S. Census Bureau
Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, San Ramon, Calif., senior executive of medical research company
William Cashman
Georgine Rose Corrigan, antiques and collectibles dealer
Joseph Deluca
Patrick Driscoll
Edward Felt, 41, Matawan, N.J.
Colleen Fraser, 51, Elizabeth, N.J., chairwoman, New Jersey Developmental Disabilities Council
Andrew Garcia, 62, Portola Valley, Calif.
Jeremy Glick, 31, West Milford, N.J.
Kristin Gould
Lauren Grandcolas, 38, San Rafael, Calif., sales worker, Good Housekeeping magazine
Donald F. Greene, 52, Greenwich, Conn.
Linda Gronlund, 46, Warwick, N. Y., environmental compliance, BMW
Richard Guadagno, 38, Eureka, Calif., Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge manager, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
Toshiya Kuge, 20, Tokyo, Japan, student
Hilda Marcin, 79, Budd Lake, N.J., retired teacher's aide
Waleska Martinez, 37, automation specialist, U.S. Census Bureau
Nicole Miller, 21, San Jose, student, West Valley College
Louis J. Nacke, 42, New Hope, Pa., distribution center director, Key-Bee Toys
Donald A. Peterson, 66, Spring Lake, N.J., retired president, Continental Electric Co.
Jean Hoadley Peterson, 55, Spring Lake, N.J.
Mark Rothenberg, Scotch Plains, N.J., owner, MDR Global Resources
Christine Snyder, 32, Kailua, Hawaii, arborist, Outdoor Circle
John Talignani, 72, Staten Island, N.Y., retired restaurant worker
Honor Elizabeth Wainio, 27, Watchung, N.J., district manager, Discovery Channel stores




They left thousands behind who morn them to this day.
Get it?

 

You guys are absolutely retarded. Several people who were on those planes were friends of my friends and family. The planes departed New England (where I'm from). Someone from my department in my university even died on the flight, which I found out about by seeing a big plaque in my old department to his honor. I later worked at American Power Conversion for about 6 months and guess what? The guy that died from that company is right above you on this list.

Truly the world is inhabited by the ignorant.

I knew people who died in the towers as well, since I was living in Manhattan at the time. There was a meeting at Windows on the World that morning that I didn't make it to. I had a conflict with one of my customers and had to go to the customer first. Nobody I knew made it out from that meeting.

You weren't there and you have no idea what it was like to hear...no... FEEL those building fall... to smell the foul burning stink that lingered around Manhattan for days. To watch grown men weep like babies (as they were pushing a baby stroller/buggy) after losing their wife. There were walls 100ft long plastered on every inch with "have you seen my missing loved one or family member" pictures and pleas for help. I was locked in my apartment for days as the military and police closed every bridge and tunnel into and out of the island of Manhattan. Acquaintances slept on my floor because they couldn't get home (outside Manhattan) as helicopters and military jets thundered above.

The strangest part of all?

It was an absolutely beautiful, sunny crisp cool fall day. The kind where you wake up all full of energy and happiness to go and start your day.

You are some of the most ignorant, retarded people I have ever had the displeasure of seeing posts from on the internet. May the same thing that happened to my friends and acquaintances that day happen to you and yours.

Go F yourselves.

And to the dipsh*ts that were arguing with me about a plane not weighing close to a million pounds... look at the list of flights and names above. 767, 757, etc... go google the weight of one of those fully loaded. Man are you guys dumb.

I gotta get out of this thread before I get really mad.

 

Catbuilder, bntii, I sincerely apologize for trampling on your feelings. There is a lot of information that we try and make sense of and I was merely asking if a certain approach had been taken to understand what had happened with all the planes. Terrorism has visited us as well and I personally try and keep an open mind in trying to weigh up what is going on. I think I am entitled to that freedom, but I do regret that I have caused you hurt.

 

WOW!!! I though I had a lot of conspiracy theorist running around in my shoulder-mounted vacuum chamber, but some of you guys are really out there.

Roger

 

When I was working in an investment bank in the UK one of the guys was on the phone to their wife in Cantors in NY and the phone went dead.
On the trading floor we were watching it live on TV
ugly..

 

There are Crazies everywhere, and some of them are well-masked.

One of the guys I work with was born in Mexico, and obtained his citizenship by joining the US Army. I always thought of him as pretty stable and shipshape upstairs, until he asked me one day, "don't you think it's strange that out of all the Jews who worked in the World Trade Towers, not a single one showed up for work that morning?"

All you have to do to disprove that one is look at the list of victims' names....

 

Hate and racism are ugly things. No matter who does it. Maybe it's ugliest when we do it. as I suggested to Hoyt. Noblesse oblige, To whom much is given, much is required. Especially, Tolerance, Understanding, and PATIENCE.

 

you should try being a white man in Asia
Chinese or Indian in Malaysia ( consitition has discrimination in it like Spouth Africa had)
Christian in Indonesia
Muslim in Thailand
etc

 

I've been to asia. Not as a resident, just visiting while loading, off loading cargo. Been to Bangkok twice, Singapore once, Japan a dozen times, PI (both Manila and Subic) countless times. Taiwan once, got to think of where else. Guam, but that's US. Yes, Perth, but that ain't asia. Australia is Australia.
anyway crossed Pacific back n forth for about 10 years. Atlantic even more times more years.
There are Xenophobes in Mexico too. I've been told, "Vete para tu pais!"
I just laugh and respond, "Tengo dos pais. Tengo direchos aqui y ya."
Doesn't make em happy, but shuts them up.

Oh, and fought in Vietnam 68 and 69. Worst vacation I ever had!

Almost forgot HONGKONG! twice!