Pirate Ship computer lofted ready for build

If I was going to build a representative vessel my choice would be metal framing. With CNC the cost of fabricating the parts is greatly reduced.

 

What was your source for lines? Nice job by the way.

 

CUTTY SARK and many others were wood on steel frame.
I heard a story of a soldier in New Guinea in WW2, up a river in a small boat scouting for a landing, and sunk in shallow water next to a fallen down wharf was a composite built clipper of maybe 600 tons.
The masts were fallen, the planking eaten through and the deck burned off, but her sheer and shape were still there and she was structurally still a ship.

 

Thank You very much, BATAAN.

At last someone with enough experience and not too much polite-correctness got out of patience ....

 

Bataan--thankyou-- Lines from half model passed down thru the family-however for the interest I compared it to a typical fishing schooners lines of the time period in Chapelle and they were very close. This does not surprise me as there was alot of trade and travelling between Newfoundland and the New England colonies/states.

 

Seems POLLY was a survivor of the type.

 

how about this . http://www.mahasagarboats.com/sailshipyashka/index.html

 

You're very lucky to have such a thing preserved in your family.
Here are some later North American schooners.
There was usually little difference in model between Canadian and New England examples.
CN boats were often built of spruce however instead of oak and pine.
Grumpy old sailors keeping an eye on us to make sure we stay honest.....

 

Definately looks so, rugged gear for rugged times. -- Since i didn't have time to complete the model I did a sort of cartoonish drawing of what it possibly looked like again using reference from Chapelle -- few would detect any mistakes anyway Bet PAR will pick up on that stem to keel joint as reversed, ???

 

Bataan: I worked on a schooner very similar to the one in the first photo. She was built in Nova Scotia in 1970 or so by Rosborough. We chartered her between Martinique and St. Lucia mainly. It was my fist experience in those boats and the speed and handling surprised me.

 

Knew Mr. Rosborough well and learned alot from him on basic sailing craft design, he was always willing to give of his time. His office was only a few miles from here on the North West Arm, across from the Armdale Yacht Club in Halifax. He started out buying and refurbishing Newfoundland fishing schooners into yachts for his U.S. customers. Possibly it's was what you sailed in. Later in his design work he was famous for his old style romatic looking craft. He is still alive , retired at his cottage further up the coast.

 

Gonzo: What a great job! This model and the subsequent Nova Scotia yacht adaptations are by and large outstanding examples of the last development of general use east coast small fishing schooner and are perfect for charter since they are responsive and roomy.
The coasters were cool too, usually 80 feet or so, centerboarders so they could get up rivers and no engine but a push boat in later years.
The photo from a few posts back, the STEPHEN TABER with the load of firewood putting her deck near the waterline and the captain and his wife (standing on deckload) as only crew is sailing today in the Maine dude fleet if I remember right.
Anybody interested in real schooners should pay the bill, get a 6 day summer cruise among the Maine islands on one of the dude fleet, with nightly lobster barbecue on yet another idyllic beach after a great day of sailing the real thing.
http://www.sailmainecoast.com/
Last pics are PAPILLON cruising and sadly dying, a Colvin pinky that successfully sailed the world but got too close to Fire Island NY.
As always, the dangerous bits are the beaches and 100 miles offshore is much safer.
This is what we today might call 'operator error' and I personally have come too close too many times through my own or someone else's negligence and laziness for the job at hand, sailing the ship safely and well.
Lee shores are dangerous and you can get set down on them incredibly quickly as PAPILLON seems to have learned.
Traditional vessels are wonderful and educational always, but their limited (by modern standards) windward abilities can be overwhelmed in some conditions and this is the result, often combined with a jib sheet in the prop and a fouled chain locker.
I don't know the conditions of this vessel's loss, but a low sandy shore in darkness can be very deceiving and this is why we pay attention to soundings, GPS, light bearings, chart plot, all of it.
Double and triple verify, especially when very tired and you don't want to.
In 1858 there were 500 vessels wrecked on the UK coasts. That's 41 per month, which reflects how many hundreds and hundreds were trading and fishing under sail year round as an industrial standard.

 

At the height of the Cod fisheries under sail, the loss was 10% yearly. That gives a good indication of what profits were if there were only 9 in 10 chances of making it back. That doesn't include all the crewmembers lost overboard or while out in a dory.

 

I remember the marketing (60s?) of those Rosborough boats. I lived in Newport Beach CA and a few of his, I must call them cute, good little yacht adaptations of workboat designs sailed around there. I think the biggest thing was about 42'. Here's a pic and you can see her traditional roots.
Their present range is quite modern.
http://www.rosboroughboats.com/
Back to the original thread, a close to authentic modern ancient schooner, here's SWIFT OF IPSWICH built by Robertson's yard in Essex in the late 30s and designed by Chapelle from a colonial period vessel he had actual plans of. She used to be moored on a back bay at Newport and we'd swim out and use her for a dive platform.
Covered in bird poop at the time I remember.
Saved by LA Maritime Museum and currently one of their stable of training vessels.
Notice the fairly short lower masts and proper topsail, which really is the life of a ship like this and you don't realize it until you sail one awhile.
Original's 1700s rig was probably 10-15% larger.

 

Going back to the schooner/truck analogy, what percentage of modern long-haul trucks is totalled in accidents yearly? 1%? 5%?
Hopefully not 10%.
They don't have to do the dory dance though.
At Mystic as rigger-in-charge of Gloucesterman L.A. DUNTON I rigged all the dories, 10 I think, researched all the gear etc.
I'd be there splicing and serving and sewing and mentally I'd put myself in that dory in the North Atlantic frantically fishing to keep from freezing to death, then open my eyes and be in the shop on saw horses next to the coal burning pot belly stove.
No thanks.
I knew a guy who fished Bristol Bay under sail in the late '40s and he said of 100 men working 50 sailing cannery gillnetters, at least 3 would die every season, sometimes quite a few more when the fleet got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.
They got a power tow out and back from the cannery, but had to fish under sail.
No thank you very much.