Buccaneer 24 Builders Forum

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Google farrier 32 "jailbreak"- there are some pics posted to drool over, and maybe some good sail control ideas- maybe not off topic after all. B

 

genious solutions are simple

hello all B24 builders and foil entousiasts,

i saw a small tri on: exaqua.co.uk and :astusboats.com where they show a simple solution for a fast set-up time,the buc loos a bit of the agresiv look from the lite V,but the boat would be more practicle in use.
My question is: would the ama go under the flare of the mainhull,and how wide the hole thing together would be ?

 

It looks like a nice little boat, but why limit the length to 20 ft. A 24ft tri is just as towable. And I question the claim of "Sea Going".
The appeal for a family with small kids sounds tempting---but kids grow unexpectedly fast. Sliding tubular crossbeams are a pain---(from my own experience.)
A Piver Nugget has better accomodation, (1Double, 2 full size singles, and the floats fold up on to the cabin top.)
But the Nugget is outdated.
A design which has down folding floats is better and there a several of those around.
A Buc 24 will sleep 4 adults at a pinch (ask Samnz), or three adults in full size bunks and two kids on the fold out cabin settee.
When you have decided exactly what requirements your ideal boat has to fulfill you need to spend a lot of time searching around for the best available design. There are heaps of them.

 

a buc 24 should fit me

Hello OS 7,i would like to take the best of both worlds.
Sliding tubes blocked so that they can not get shorter after fitting water-stays and try to fit this system in a buc 24:,a short set up time is important to me !
i printed your scale print on 140%,the main hull should be 2,03 m and the ama"s 49 cm that gives folded 3,01 meter,witch is accapable to trailer for me,but my question is does the ama"s go unter the flare from the mainhull ?

gr,

Marco

ps:your picture is not to oldfashioned,just your sunglasses a bit

 

No slider?

Marco, I hate to say not possible, as almost anything "can" be done, but the Buc 24 is not very suited to a sliding beam set up. First, it is 19 feet beam, so with any "bury" at all, the cross tubes would be at least 9.5' wide. The floats are also tall and about 20 inches wide and with the cabin as designed would end up with an almost 10 foot wide trailer width. They are too tall and wide unless they are angled and tucked under the deck, and even then, it is very close. Also, the Buc has a "v" to the cross tubes to carry the floats higher when extended, which would add to the engineering challenges. All of the boat's structure ties into the cross tube bulkheads, which would have to be doubled to use sliders. It all could be done, but it would be heavy, and no longer a Crowther design.
I keep looking at different solutions, short of buying a different boat, and I am still working on folding mine something like the F-boats. I have built a full scale wooden mock-up, it does work, but there are still design challenges before I could install it on my boat. The beam of the Buc, while great for sailing, works against ANY system. B

 

I agree with Bruce. The Buc 24 is not designed to be frequently trailable ---but is de-mountable for occasional transportation.
For example a fellow member of the TMCC, with whom I built my B24 in parallel, demounted his B24 and trailed it on a standard trailer down to Florida where he re-mounted it and sailed it for two weeks then de-mounted it again and trailed it back to Toronto. "It was fine", he said, but he wouldn't like to do it every weekend.

 

I've seen some well designed trailers like the one's used for grainger raider catamarans. I'd hesitate to say that you would want to do it every weekend but they do address the issues quite well as a means of getting the boat skinny for trailering on a demountable boat. I'm not able to find a decent photo but the hull have a cradle that slides out on each side of the trailer with the hulls attached to facilitate assembly. I've seen a Bucc 24 stored mast up full width on a trolley in a marina yard for easy launching but most people seem to opt to park the boat on a mooring and demount for the winter (much cheaper).

 

Question For BruceB.
Could you clarify for me please wether these lifting foils in the floats are to complement the Dagger board or replace it ?
Cheers,
RR

 

Since we have sold our house and are moving to the mountains, my sailing days are over.
I have one set of Buccaneer 24 plans left. When they have gone there will be no more.
PM me if interested.

 

Changes?

RR, I am a racer and like trying new things almost as much as I like sailing, so PLEASE don't take anything I try as "better". I do post, and I will keep experimenting, but some of it works, and the rest is "experience". My first set of foils are too big, and my boat is out for the winter. I think that the next set will work well, but that will have to wait a few months for testing. I expect, from the limited tests that I have done, that a combination of a small center dagger and the float foils will be the best. Nothing is easy or quick. B

 

You can take the sailor from the sea but can you take the sea from the sailor?

 

Thanks for that Corley. You are right of course.

 

These days with melting glaciers, global warming etc...the sea might come to the sailors....

 

Cool, my house should be on the waterfront soon. I'll preinstall my pier and docking facilities.

 

Nothing like planning ahead, if the neighbors ask tell them you're starting a rectangular gazebo.