Yacht fairing and finish expert wanted

Discussion in 'Services & Employment' started by JINLEE, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. JINLEE
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    JINLEE Junior Member

    Hello friends,

    My name is JIN from Korea and would like to see if anyone of you come over to Korea to help out our upcoming project located here in Korea.

    It is 100ft AL structure power yacht and need to be painted as building process is abt 70% done..

    I would like to be contacted with fairing and spray expert. As I'd be able to arrange 6~10 or more assistances from local, you can stay here as a team leader mostly doing consulting works on the project.

    We will need you from the middle of Dec 2011 until Mar or Apr 2012.
    Accomodation, Roundtrip fair included.
    Anyone interested on this matter, please contact me and comment me about your thoughts. (Fees and other conditions..)

    I am using AWLCRAFT 2000 and related products. FYI, the median weather in that periode is below 10C.

    JIN
    mail2jinlee@gmail.com
     
  2. mastcolin
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    mastcolin Senior Member

    Jin

    You'd better budget in some heating as epoxy filler absolutely won't cure below 10. In fact awlgrip recommend 15C And at this temperature you won't be able to sand for 36hours. So aim for 18-20C, 24hours a day, surface temperature. You don't have to tent in the whole boat if you can't, you can just heat/tent off each deck but this will still eat energy.

    If you haven't started painting yet ie the aluminum is still bare, you won't be able to get it painted with 1 experienced painter and 6-10 unexperienced painters in your timescale. You are talking about dec-mar. That is 12 weeks. You'll need multiple layers of filler, all roundings and detail work, priming, more priming, topcoating...on a boat that is in-build ie there is other work still going on at same time so it makes painting not so easy. Of course it depends on what quality you expect. Assume 6 weeks a deck, so I'd plan on 18weeks (sundeck, maindeck, hull 3 x 6=18 If you have a bridgedeck as well then make it 24 weeks.)

    Best of luck to you and who ever goes. You sound like you may need it.

    ps speak with maurice ng, the awlgrip asia boss based in singapore. He may have contacts for you.
     
  3. JINLEE
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    JINLEE Junior Member

    Hi Colin,

    Thanks for your advise.

    Due to the weather conditions in winter period in Korea, I usually isolate whole yacht to keep the temp inside of it at over 15c. I noted the outer temp because some painters from 365days warm weather reigne usually dont have clues..

    Yes I dont have much time and will need some help to have this project done.. with very tight budget..

    I have some good friends in AWL singapore as I've been dealing with their projects for years..

    Thanks again Colin. If you need any sources from Korea please let me know any time.

    JIN
    mail2jinlee@gmail.com
     
  4. mastcolin
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    mastcolin Senior Member

    jin

    It is good that you sound like you have some previous experience. As you are aware there are plenty of pitfalls in what seems an apparently easy task on paper to paint a yacht.

    I work as foreman/project manager for a dutch painting company. I have also had experience working with untrained staff in china (Kingship) where I ran 2x33m projects.

    A good idea for you if you are is to paint the maindeck first. This way you can cover this over and you leave an entry open for all the other trades. If you leave the main deck till last this will be near the launch date, when all the other trades are also rushing to finish the interior. Then work top to bottom. Hopefully you can work on the hull in between.

    Planning is the key. There are no doubt other trades trying to work with their own plans and timescales eg teak decks, stainless, windows, general deck hardware etc. It is a bit difficult to paint when the teak deck man needs 6 weeks to do his work for example:) Sit down and try to get a proper plan written up with all the trades. Add 33% extra time and you will possibly be on time. This is serious. I am not joking. You are working with untrained staff. Everything takes longer. You are also reliant on all the other trades to work to their plans to allow you access. You have already said you are under budget constraints times and financial. People will takes risks and things will go wrong. If you have to reject a topcoat area and repaint, this will be 1 week extra...and I can almost guarantee this will happen at least once depending on your quality requirements.

    Don't skip on the heating, don't force overcoating windows, don't abuse specifications. All these will bite you back hard and you will be even more out of pocket if you get warranty claims. It is far cheaper and you keep everyone happier in the long run if you do everything properly the 1st time.

    Sorry if this sounds condescending. It isn't meant to be. I am just offering advice from years of experience...I/we have learnt the hard way.
     
  5. watchkeeper

    watchkeeper Previous Member

    Be aware your spray enviroment needs to be dry as well as warm. Our yard is just across the pond at Dalian, we gave up on winter spray painting because of combination -5 to -16C temps plus 95% sea air moisture.

    Even when we got a spray tent up to 15C+, the paint (Awlgrip & IP) bloomed and wouldn't fully cure because we couldn't control the moisture with 3 humidifiers running. We can get a micro climate sea fog like condition in our water side hangars.

    Same problem with PU coating fenders, moister causes blisters in the PU fender coats.

    Jin, can you post photos, would be interesting to see the vessel

    Best of luck too
    WK
     

  6. JINLEE
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    JINLEE Junior Member

    Thanks Colin and WK.
    I am currently talking to a few groups from Europe and hopfuly we can have this job done properly.
    Thanks again for the useful info.
     
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