Can everybody design?

Well, building boats in a small scale company is another issue. But I can still make a question about this. How about companies without a supervision of NA? Would you put yourself in a Boeing if they had no qualified engineers at production?
I saw many small scale companies with an owner who thinks that he can design and build a boat without any need of a NA. The result was, as many can expect, a bad boat for customer or endless construction until they go to court.
I can develop myself in many ways. Does it give me right to start a business in a field that requires some specific professionals?
If I understood your words well, should I say that any degree from university is just a piece of paper hanging on the wall?

 

I am saying again that I have never been against for people who have a passion to design or build their own boats. I was always happy to help those people during all their works no matter if I know them before or no. I am saying "help", not "giving service" because giving service is a term that comes with payment.
On the other hand, I see many people with different professionals who are eager to start designing as a business. What could be my reaction when a dentist came to my office one day with some papers in his hand and offered me building boats for him to sell. That's what bothers me.
But I might be wrong or this might be just my ego. so I asked whether it's selfish side of my character or I am right to think in such way.
I know that many people here are quite older than me so I was just trying to get some comments coming from experience, that's all.

 

Well, for the last couple of posts I tried my best to explain all )))
but as I said before, it's not so easy sometimes because of language barriers.

 

ekamarine, I dont understand your need to preach to the choir, and that is what you are doing here.

As to whether a person has the right to practice the profession of boat design, I dont think that is a call for you to make . There are regulating bodies that deal with that for the most part.

There still remains the question of whether, or not every navel architect can design a boat.

 

I totally agree that not every NA can design a boat.
and can every "designer" make a boat float?
If someone has really a desire to design boats and wants to make a business out of it, what does stop him/her to get some professional education on the subject?

 

Just a little note,
Couple of years ago, a builder, who thinks that he knows all, designed a boat. After approval, he did some modifications on the hull of his charter yacht. The modification was opening some holes on the hull for engine room ventilation. No approvals were retaken from any NA because the person thought that he can design and build a boat without NA. If I remember well, 4 people died on that boat.
That's the difference between hobby and making business out of it.

 

Blah ,blah , this line has been spewed here many time before.
What do you want ? I mean , really what is it that you have need of expressing ?

If you are saying that people overestimate their ability out of pride and arrogance. Then I would have to agree.

If you are saying that a seal of approval from an institution is the only way to become competent. Then I would disagree.

 

You may agree or disagree, it's your thoughts and I respect that but what I am trying to say is that people must know on what point to stop while doing something which requires some qualified profession.

 

Frank, i think you have hit the nail square on the head.
I couldnt have expressed it better myself.

'How about companies without a supervision of NA? Would you put yourself in a Boeing if they had no qualified engineers at production?
I saw many small scale companies with an owner who thinks that he can design and build a boat without any need of a NA. The result was, as many can expect, a bad boat for customer or endless construction until they go to court.
I can develop myself in many ways. Does it give me right to start a business in a field that requires some specific professionals? '

As for your point, Eka. regarding Boeing, I see it like this, There are some trades that are 'easier' than others, Almost any child, will soon learn that just about anything except a seive will float, providing that you can keep the water out of it, they [the child] may then experiment a little and there is a good chance they will come up with noticable results, and be happy with his results and may try more, All of this without any understanding of why his experiments work,
Now Ill bet many thoasands of children across the world have made a paper aeroplane, of a standard design, and flown it and enjoyed it, they may then experiment a little further, and failed 99 times out of a hundred, because the simple aeroplane requires an understanding of aerodynamics, before you can even begin to understand where yo went wrong. a persistant child may then seek further information and possibly go on to be an engineer for boeing,
there is nothing to stop an enthusiast improving his knowledge through the vast public library of books on the subject of boatbuilding, and be a perfactly able builder.

I, as I expressed earlier, am against tricksters who will leave everyone else to clear up after them, however your point about 'a bad boat for a customer'. should every customer take a NA with them when they buy a boat to tell them if the boat isnt good enough for them? I could make you a better boat, Is that not a hugely subjective argument you are making?
My point is that I beleive there is a vast number of perfectly honest, genuine builders across the world, who do not have 'a piece of paper on the wall' that are vastly overqualified for the job through experience, and they have never been near a NA.
I believe, in answer to your original question, is that it is not disrespect to NAs, I belive that it is more disrespectful, to argue that every builder should have a NA to hold their hand,

 

Eka

On what evidence do you present to us, that boatbuilders must require qualifications?

 

Eka do you have the inquest evidence to explain why they died, was it a case of straightforward asphyxiation? had these four people done anything stupid like blocking up the ventilation because it was cold, was the engine running efficiently, had the adjustments been examined afterwards to approve/condemn them,
It is a very dangerous way to make an argument to play on sympathy

 

Somewhat late I know, but I applaud your wisdom . . .

 

if you look at pleasure boat production around the world would it be fair to say 99.99% are built and designed by nothing more than experience.
They just evolve from experiments

 

Not really: naval architecture is involved starting from early stages.

There are low end builders who just keep modifying the moulds, launch it, oops... something wrong... remake the moulds. I know such builders with 'experience' who wasted a lot of own and customers' money for those gambling experiments.

These days customer needs to be sure about result, so he needs NA involved.

 

I did mean production boats zero to 30m and not 50m pleasure boats hence my 99.99% of the worlds volume