Can everybody design?

I did it once and that was the last time. I understood that we can never agree with such people after this one said "your modifications changed my design a lot". The modification was enlarging his 4 cm chine to achieve the desired performance.

 

basic question was: Can everybody "design" ?
wiki's definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design
more specific boats and ships see NA link above
where also often a design involves multiple disciplines
and ofcourse we all design but outcome may vary

 

In this case, best practice is to make agreement that design is tranferred from stylist to NA and design will be processed solely by NA. No more involvement or approvals by of stylist after that point. Otherwise it is waste of time for educating of dummies and always a confrontation.

 

Nice rule if the customer lets you get away with it, but it's an interactive process involving the customer, the “stylist” - if that’s the term you wish to use, the engineering team and the builder; subcontractors too if any are involved. This kind of work is not for the impatient, the confrontational or the faint-hearted, and loners need not apply.

 

The solution is: have ONE TEAM to do all - styling, NA, engineering, construction supervision. That's how we do. Optimal in terms of responsibility, cost and time.

 

- same answer as before -

 

Lets examine this as objectively as we can, up untill

'creativity and inspiration doesn't come with education, I am aware of this ' this is pretty much a statement of facts I would agree with your sentiment up untill that point,
what I really dissagree with is
'am I the only one who thinks that this is a little disrespect to naval architects or am I just too selfish?'

his is too snobbish for words imho,

NOW.
No where in this post does it mention people who try it on, from other trades etc.
With that I can understand what your getting at, Where I live we have a term 'cowboys' those that will carry out a poor quality job and leave the honest public to tidy up,
Unfortunately you will get that in all walks of life, Its a fact of life, what you are doing though is tarring a HUUUUUGE amount of honest small scale builders who will carry out an honest job and do the best that they can by you. As I understand your position, the question that this now prompts is, should small scale business men be allowed to trade, leaving the qualified knowledgable 'experts' to apply their 'skill' to what these small businesses produce. that I believe is what you refer to as 'respect'
i would answer this by pointing out as I did before, do the amateur pilots who have (and sometimes build) their own planes, and fly for pleasure, disrespect the proffessional pilots who fly you off on your holidays in jetliners?
Do the amateur photographers, who have their own kits, developing their own films, maybe publishing one or two on their online galeries, dissrespect the proffessional war photographers, highlighting the plight of the oppressed in the 3rd world. Do the 21st century 'bloggers' presenting their own personal journals, highlighting their daily reoutines, dissrespect the great playwrights or the authours of the classics. a little old lady who likes to take a brush and some paint, does she disrespect the great masters?
Everyone has a valid contribution to life in their own small way, should we dissmiss the backyard enthusiast for building a little tender to row him and his grandkids on the river, for not aspiring to the gin palaces of the mediteranean?
what you have to accept is that you cannot rid yourselves of fraudsters in the 21st century, it is an unfortunate fact. but you should never group them with the majority of genuine honest amateurs or enthusiasts,

 

Yes, everybody can design! Some are better at it than others! So what? That's life!

BB,

Any chance you could edit (design, if you will) your last post for spelling mistakes, layout and punctuation, so that it makes sense to your readers please? You may have something to contribute, but you do yourself no favours, if what's on offer is your best effort at presentation.

In addition, as yet, you still have not clarified whom you consider is the target for your distain? We have learned how you feel, but not why you have jumped in so impolitely and so angrily? How about a little more decorum in the forum?

P

 

Talking to everyone in the thread, I agree with Pericles.
These posts jump around so much it is hard to understand what is the issue and what caused the reaction.
For myself, if I offended anyone, please call me out by name and quote me. I don't mind an attitude, foul language, etc, so long as I understand the issue.
Its really hard to understand whats going on long distance.

 

Ok people will you point out to me anything in particular you dont understand, Ill clarify it for you, Ok my talent maybe not for English, but people certainly took notice of it,
My anger is directed primarily at the original poster ekamarine, and anyone else who feels snobbish enough to decide they can tell other people that their efforts are not good enough in terms of their work, wether it be boatbuilding, cookery, art or any other trade you care to mention

 

Well if I think that something is wrong I generally tend to say so, when I'm asked the opinion. That's how a learning process works, and that's what others do with me when I do something less well than I could, or when I screw up something. If one gets only pats on his shoulder, he won't learn too much.

P.S.
And whatever I (or anyone else) might say, consider it for what it is - just a personal opinion. If you feel easier or happier without it, then the simplest thing to do is to just ignore it and keep doing your stuff the same way you always did. No offense intended.

 

We certainly noticed your bad attitude and your difficulty with English might perhaps explain why you misunderstood ekamarine's straightforward, almost rhetorical question "Can everybody design?" to which the answer is "Yes, everybody can design! Some are better at it than others!"

Ekamarine lives in Turkey and is unlikely to have any concept of "snobbishness", but he is entitled to feel and enjoy pride in his accomplishments. That's natural justice. I feel pride in my accomplishments through life, as do the others who choose to post here. We don't come here to teach anyone, but we are more than willing to let you learn.

Thus, it would be sensible for you to read the threads of previous contributors here, but if you believe you know better, please be my guest.

P

 

I think you guys are talking past each other.

There is a difference between saying "That's not going to work and here's why" and "You don't know enough to design anything". I agree with what BB is trying to say, that an amateur trying to design his or her own boat should in no way be taken as an insult to professional designers.

On the other hand eka has clarified his original intent which is frustration with people who pass themselves off as professional designers because they have experience in other fields. I certainly read the original post as "no one but a professional NA should try to design a boat", but I get now that wasn't how it was intended.

 

+1

I've been chastised here for providing objective, but not positive commentary on threads where the original poster clearly asked for feedback. I've learned that I should pay more attention to those who look critically at my ideas, as opposed to those ready to relentlessly cheer me on. I much more appreciate someone helping me to avoid mistakes.

I guess the real issue comes down to what people want this forum to be ... is it a design discussion support group where we cheerfully encourage every idea, no matter what we think? If I want unconditional love, I talk with the 90 pounds of abuse-rescue sled dog who sits by my desk most days. I won't ask her what she thinks about my ideas though.

The playground concept of "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" is a serious mistake when it comes to professional discussion.

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Hey, P,
If you had read my post you would realise that my issue was not with the question, can anybody design, my issue is with 'is this not a little disrespect to Naval Architects', which is a lot of disrespect to almost everyone else, maybe Im not the only one on here that may need to reread these posts.

Im quite willing to let him feel pride in his achievements, however as long as he respects that people can work work without being highly qualified, more so produce perfectly valid work.