Viking tumblehome sterns

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  1. NoEyeDeer
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    Pretty amazing work. Modelmaking is incredibly fussy stuff. I don't have the patience for it myself. For the same amount of work you can build a boat you can use. ;)
     
  2. viking north
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    viking north VINLAND

    Noeyedeer--ok brain is not tumbled only my interperation of wording. It does reduce top hamper and that works for me.---Geo
     
  3. BATAAN
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    The higher you go, the more leverage the weight has against the stability, so 32 pdrs on the lower deck, 24s on the next deck up, then long 18s, then light short carronades on the quarterdeck. This on a structure that not only has tumblehome to reduce topside weight, but the construction gets lighter the higher you go in size of frames and thickness of plank etc. This is basic logic in making a vessel sail better by increasing stability and sail carrying.
    Yes, the VASA brought the point home, and plenty of other ships wound up sunk due to too much deck weight of ordnance and gunports that were too low as a result. The Royal Navy had a class of smaller ship referred to as 'coffin brigs' that had a propensity to disappear suddenly do to over-gunning. In a gale an officer on another ship saw one pitchpole and sink in seconds according to Howard Chapelle.
    These two film miniatures, one is 1/6 scale and the other 1/12, while not exact copies of VICTORY, had their lines based on hers so you can see the shape.
    Movie models often have a short life, and like real warships, die in a blaze of glory.
     

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    Really lovely work. I so like the way he populates his ships with a crew that is quite authentic and would treasure anything this man made as they are superbly done.
    It's relatively straightforward, though fussy, to get the first 90% of detail in a model. The other 10% of believable finish is the hard part and can take amazing amount of time. Some of the film miniatures we built for various movies cost over $300,000 each and each took a team of the best modelmakers and painters in the world (ILM) months to accomplish.
    I can build a very nice yacht for $300k.
     

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    One trivial point I noticed on the Guzman model of the Victory was the ropes holding the gunport covers open. If you look closely they look a bit unnatural, due to the fibres of the string being too stiff to accurately mimic the line a rope would take at full scale.

    I remember reading years ago that one of the top modelmakers uses "rope" that is custom wound from single strand wire. This can be shaped to be completely accurate in curvature, and looks like rope when given the right finish.
     
  6. BATAAN
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    This is one of the many things that make your brain scream "model" when you see them. Everything has to lay right from gravity, hang right, blow right or you see that it's phony. It's harder when it's moving on screen because your brain is really good at catching weird wrong things. Watch Pirates of the Caribbean, any of them, and I defy you to tell me which was model, which was set and which was full size real ship on real ocean.
    Scale models have to look pretty and you always know they are models because the scale is too small to get realistic detail.
    Film miniatures (we call them bigatures) are invisible, never existed, and all you saw was that world of fantasy, wasn't it?
     

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  7. human 1.0
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    human 1.0 Don't mess w/ Humanity

    There is a Scand. dublender at the far left of the first pict to compare! (not sure why I didn't take more of it)

    Click for more pictures of sardine carriers (brunswick brand)
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    human 1.0 Don't mess w/ Humanity

    HUMAN 1.0 NOT ALLOWED??

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