Global Warming? are humans to blame?

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Do you believe

  1. Global Warming is occuring as a direct result of Human Activity.

    106 vote(s)
    51.7%
  2. IF Gloabal Warming is occurring it is as a result of Non-Human or Natural Processes.

    99 vote(s)
    48.3%
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  1. hoytedow
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    Hurrah, Shimkus even if you are from Sickinois.
     
  2. troy2000
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    God said he wouldn't destroy the Earth. But He never promised He wouldn't let us screw it up and make a mess of it ourselves.....
     
  3. hoytedow
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    God said He would destroy the Earth, but next time it will be with fire. How's Yellowstone looking these days?
     
  4. wardd
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    what god is supposed to have said is hearsay evidence and not admissible in court

    i didn't hear it
     
  5. Maddie
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    I have not read the posts so will just put this as part of an ongoing discussion my friends and I are having here in the Caribbean. It might be appreciated by some of you.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conte...FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=date&resourcetype=HWCIT

    Effects of Rapid Global Warming at the Paleocene-Eocene Boundary on Neotropical Vegetation
    Carlos Jaramillo,1,* Diana Ochoa,1,2 Lineth Contreras,3,1,4 Mark Pagani,5 Humberto Carvajal-Ortiz,6,1 Lisa M. Pratt,6 Srinath Krishnan,5 Agustin Cardona,1 Millerlandy Romero,1 Luis Quiroz,1,7 Guillermo Rodriguez,3,8 Milton J. Rueda,9,3 Felipe de la Parra,3 Sara Morón,1,10 Walton Green,1 German Bayona,11,1 Camilo Montes,1,11 Oscar Quintero,12 Rafael Ramirez,13 Germán Mora,14 Stefan Schouten,15 Hermann Bermudez,16 Rosa Navarrete,17 Francisco Parra,18 Mauricio Alvarán,16 Jose Osorno,19 James L. Crowley,20 Victor Valencia,21 Jeff Vervoort22

    Temperatures in tropical regions are estimated to have increased by 3° to 5°C, compared with Late Paleocene values, during the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM, 56.3 million years ago) event. We investigated the tropical forest response to this rapid warming by evaluating the palynological record of three stratigraphic sections in eastern Colombia and western Venezuela. We observed a rapid and distinct increase in plant diversity and origination rates, with a set of new taxa, mostly angiosperms, added to the existing stock of low-diversity Paleocene flora. There is no evidence for enhanced aridity in the northern Neotropics. The tropical rainforest was able to persist under elevated temperatures and high levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, in contrast to speculations that tropical ecosystems were severely compromised by heat stress.



    My group says:

    It stands to reason that ALL of the "Global Warming" before the advent of mankind was NON-ANTHROPOGENIC.

    It is likely that the copious global warming and climate change episodes of MOST of the Holocene (..when humans had not yet industrialized) was not anthropogenic.

    Is the current episode 1) Global warming; 2) a "transient" in a chaotic system; 3) anthropogenic?

    I dunno. Climatologists dunno (lemme see a good prediction of a hurricane season 6 months in advance).

    But Politicians and Bankers sure as hell know. So Carbon Offset it is. That'll fix it.
     
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  6. Maddie
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    As a citizen of a Caribbean island, some of us believe it's a Western plan to prevent 3rd world expansion. Hobble any growth with expensive controls and regulations.

    I guess everyone feels its against them.

    Seriously now. Who benefits from climate change regulations. A few small island states will receive grants for sea level rise and to implement renewable projects. The big, fast growing 3rd world economies are being asked to curtail development in response to climate change juggernaut. how it that crippling the west.

    I think its trying to slow the rest of the world down.
     
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    agw is a liberal plot to prevent mass extinctions
     
  8. troy2000
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    Climate is not the same thing as weather, and climate predictions have little or nothing to do with short-term weather forecasts. Nor does pointing out that there have been other reasons in the past for climate changes prove in any way that the causes this time aren't human-related.

    Climatologists actually do know... but there are plenty of non-climatologists who are letting religious or political beliefs get in the way of knowing, or denying it for the sake of short-term profits.

    Climatologists are somewhat like statisticians, who can accurately predict how many people out of a thousand will die of cancer in the next ten years -- but are completely unable to say whether you will develop cancer, or whether you will survive it if you do.
     
  9. hoytedow
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    The problem is that sea level is not rising but some islands are actually sinking, giving the impression of sea level rise which is useful to some prevaricators.
     
  10. troy2000
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    Hoyt, Hoyt, Hoyt.... When will you stop blindly parroting things that simply aren't so? There is no doubt whatsoever that the average sea level is rising, and has been for at least the last hundred years.

    You can maybe argue how much, and you can certainly argue the cause or causes, but facts is facts: the seas are rising.
     
  11. hoytedow
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    Troy, Troy, Troy.... I heard you the first time, and you are wrong no matter how many times you repeat it. I thought you were busy paddling around the Horn.
     
  12. troy2000
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    Well, that's where you and Angel sent me.:p

    But I paddled fast, and got back in time to work a couple of overtime days this weekend for Christmas money. Or maybe boatbuilding money, if I can stash some of it out of sight.....;)
     
  13. hoytedow
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    Outraced the sea monster too. :p
     
  14. larry larisky

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    i think we will discuss less the politcal side when we reach 13 billions inhabitants, with food for ten billions.
    the term liberal or republicain will have no weight nor interrest in the general world in deep crisis.
    the global warming can be human or not, it is not the most urgent problem, and it is not the time for finger pointing. i think it is happening whaat eveery we think.
     

  15. hoytedow
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    Those are ridiculous numbers. You might as well say we reached 5 billion with food for 4 billion. That happens when the food is turned into bio-fuel for lefty-fools.
     
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