Europe more dangerouse than USA? (gunshots vs terror threat)

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  1. troy2000
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    The claim I addressed was that "we did the same during the revolutionary war." That's a bald-faced lie. The American colonists did not terrorize the population by engaging in random mass murder of civilians.

    The rest of your post doesn't even need an answer. It's the usual "America is the Great Satan, and Americans are personally responsible for all the evil in the world throughout history. Waaaaaaa......."
     
  2. masrapido
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    Oh, come on. Do not be so melodramatic.

    The sources I listed are all local usanian sources.

    All legitimate stuff. If you think MY opinion is "usa is Satan" (AMERICA is the continent, not the name of your own country. Stop refering to MY continent as YOUR own country, you conquistador!!!)

    : )

    Then, you need to consider those local sources as haters too.

    What is that telling us about the internal situation in your own country, which is NOT AMERICA but usa?

    I am merely agreeing with those internal evalutions.
     
  3. troy2000
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    I'll call my country by the name that's used for it all over the world any time I want to, with or without your permission. And unless you don't have a drop of Spanish blood in you, you're in a piss-poor position to be calling others conquistadores.

    You're obsessed. You're like a midget trying to kick the tallest man you can find in the shins, to prove you're really as tall as he is. Every ounce of energy you spend trying to tear down my country would be better spent in trying to raise up your own, instead. But that would require some intellectual and emotional honesy -- and you're sadly lacking in both.
     
  4. masrapido
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    Just the other day I said I have it with the government, not the people.

    Do you read carefully other posts? Here's the proof you do not.

    Truth be told, since you called this one up, people elect their governments. A greek philosopher once said that people get the government they deserve.

    But I am not usanian to simplify my logic against the people that way. You people, do that. Remember how "Russians" were guilty for everything?

    Not the government of USSR, the "Russians". You simpletons had equalised the people and the government and for every perceived "evil" done by the USSR government, the "Russians" were guilty as well.

    Use a parallel, and usanians are all up in arms.

    Some balance, please.

    I do not consider you guilty for what forrest gump did in the world. Unless you have voted for him. THEN, and ONLY THEN you are just as guilty.

    Can you grasp the difference?

    It would greatly enhance the debate if you could.
     
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    Claiming you like Americans just fine is complete ********; we can't be separated from our country and our government. You sound like some sanctimonious, prune-faced preacher telling his congregation he hates the sin, not the sinner, before he urges them to go out and start killing sinners.

    I repeat: clean up your own back yard, before you start whining about America's front lawn. South America is largely a toilet because it's full of South Americans who have been crapping all over it for generations, not because the US made it that way.
     
  6. masrapido
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    And I'll keep calling you an ignorant for that, every time you do. You (usanians) globalise the name for your own political (masonery springs to mind, strangely...) "new world order delusions. And I. for one will not stand and watch you prostituting the name for that purpose.

    And what exactly is usa? Peace-loving nation? You have your own personal gun-promoting blog, my friend. Gun fixation and peace are not compatible. What can I say, my family IS of spanish origins. From Castile-La Mancha, to be precise. But, let us get a quick perspective here.

    Spain is actively unding development of al 40+ countries once being a part of the Spanish Empire. No strings attached, no conditions, not even with Cuba. Just plain simple help in their development.

    usa on the other hand, bombs people, invades, kils millions of innocent people, dictates what will the countries do and what political system they must have, blackmails them, slaps embargoes, destroys generations of people just because "yes, we can", and you have the audacity to compare me with yourself...?

    I mean, really...

    Get of that moral horse cowboy. You are simply not up to the task.

    I wonder why is it so difficult to accept that you are from a country that is the worse hegemonistic force the world has ever known. Many of your own politicians from all two sides have admitted that many a time.

    Whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant. You are but a fish in the sea and to get up and start moralising here with what the world knows for a long while to be just a capitalist brainwash is often laughable.

    If you are confronted by the real facts, just like those in the links above, take it up with the authors. After all, they are all from your own country.

    Nothing to do with me. I did not write a single of those articles. I merely agree with what they admit and confess.

    At least, they woke up and realised the facts and the reality.

    You still have a long way to go before you understand them too. Being agressive and doing the mark thing (isnulting someone just because you disagree with them) makes you look much like him and alikes.

    Not my fault that you crap into your mouth by stating that nuclear bombs were used on "carefully selected military targets".

    Or this:
    " You're like a midget trying to kick the tallest man you can find in the shins, to prove you're really as tall as he is. Every ounce of energy you spend trying to tear down my country would be better spent in trying to raise up your own, instead. But that would require some intellectual and emotional honesy -- and you're sadly lacking in both."

    All I can hope this is a consequence of is that you are feeling the hurt by those facts I quote from your own usanian media and are subconsciously starting to realise you are in a bubble made by your nazist governments.

    It will take a lot of time before you get around and accept it.

    But then, every drunk or drug addict (especuially the political drunkards and drug-addicts) has a difficult time admitting they have a problem...

    I am merely helping you go through that self-discovery quicker.

    You should be grateful...
     
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    Come on, cowboy! You are boiling under that hat there. (covering the balding spot?) When did I ever say I LIKE usanians...?

    Get a grip. I do NOT dislike you. I have it with the government.

    None of that means that I actually like the nation.

    Don't be such a narcis.
     
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    Hate to disappoint you, but I don't have a bald spot -- or even a thin spot.

    You're getting pretty desperate for insults there, son.....:p:p:p
     
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    It is more dangerous being an american in the world as you are not a very popular nation.
     
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    Yeah. People tend to remember the bad things we've done, and ignore the good things. Even when we spend millions to ship aid to a country after a natural disaster, we get dumped on by the people -- while they're grabbing the supplies we're giving them.

    But I'd like to point out that we're a nation of immigrants. As a matter of fact, people are still pouring over our borders from all over the world. If we're so horrible, you'd think they would stay away, instead of joining us and raising their children as Americans....
     
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    as for the subject, i think the gun promoting law in america does increase the general danger, simply by making guns more easily avaidable. almost no-one owns a gun here in sweden, except for hunting rifles. the only others who own guns are a few enthusiasts, the cops and foremost the mob.

    as for the american reptutation worldwide, it has deterioriated when Bush declares a (to most people outside america) unessecary war in the middle east in the name of freedom and democracy. this gives the signals that the US thinks they alone represents freedom and democracy, which makes the USA look very arrogant.
     
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    As was pointed out above, you can never achieve compromise when one party is strong and the other weak. Its very evident in the Israel Palestine situation . The weak party needs long term assistance and the breathing space to develop socially before they will strike a compromise.. Concerning the original post. Ive spent much time in both the US and Europe and I don't feel fear in either. Both societies are remarkably similar and face the same challenges. Be street smart in Malmo and be street smart in Miami or you may become statistic.
     
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    As I've pointed out often, the United States is not a lawless, dangerous place, although we have our problems. And the majority of the gun violence in the United States is criminal-on-criminal. If you stay away from crime and the illegal drug trade, and stay away from the areas where it's going on, your odds of getting shot here are probably no higher than they are in your home town.

    This isn't the wild west as portrayed in the movies. It would no more occur to the average American to shoot someone just because he owns a gun, than it would occur to him to stab someone just because he owns a knife.

    I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of Bush's war. It was stupid; it was unnecessary; it harmed our reputation worldwide; and it distracted us from the more important war in Afghanistan and the pursuit of Al Queda.
     
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    I think the original poster misinterpreted the warning our government gave; it was hardly an insult to Europe. They gave the warning because there was (or is) intelligence about a terrorist plot to attack targets in Europe. It would have been irresponsible to remain quiet.

    And in fact, I believe several European countries gave warnings to their own citizens, because of the same intelligence. No one was saying Europe has suddenly become a lawless, savage place.
     

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    Believe what you want. When your belief impinges on my religious rights, there will be conflict. If you leave me alone, there will peace. It is that simple. So don't try to shove Islam, Catholicism, Buddhism Zoroastrianism or especially atheism down my throat, and I will stand back and not interfere with your course.
     
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