Global Warming? are humans to blame?

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Do you believe

  1. Global Warming is occuring as a direct result of Human Activity.

    106 vote(s)
    51.7%
  2. IF Gloabal Warming is occurring it is as a result of Non-Human or Natural Processes.

    99 vote(s)
    48.3%
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  1. wardd
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    then you missed that episode of voyage to the bottom of the sea
     
  2. hoytedow
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  3. troy2000
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    Actually, we were doing it without even trying. Reduction in CFC's and other gases made a measurable difference in how fast we were reducing the amount of ozone.

    Learn a few facts, before you go off like that....
     
  4. hoytedow
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    Actually, no we weren't.:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:pYGAKM:p:p:p:p:p:p

    It is just like you guys to want to limit us to "a few facts".
     
  5. wardd
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    faith can remove a mountain of facts
     
  6. Boston

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    you presented science ?

    care to point out where you presented science so we might all take a moment and wallow in this momentous first. The deal with ozone is exactly as Troy pointed out, with the reduction in CFC's and other anthropogenic gasses which degrade O3 there has been a marked improvement in the condition of the O3 layer. So what part of CFC's/aerosols do you not understand as being artificially produced and therefor "not" part of a natural process. ( IE one the was not influenced by man made pollutants )

    cheers
    B

    oh
    glad you had a good laugh but why am I picturing my old girlfriends sister who would chortle at the drop of a pin and dyed her hair five different colors .
     
  7. wardd
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    any magic sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from science
     
  8. hoytedow
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    Wait a moment while I emit some anthropogenic gas.






    Ahhhh. Now I feel better.

    By the way, there is no O3 layer. All gases are homogenously distributed within the atmosphere.

    Dalton's law of partial pressures

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_laws
     
  9. wardd
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    and i bet you can think more clearly too
     
  10. Boston

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    http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Education/Ozone/ozonelayer.html
    maybe NASA can explain ti to you better than I but the simple reality is that about 90% of the atmospheres 03 is created and destroyed in a particular layer of the upper atmosphere. Depends on where you are on the planet as to how high in the atmosphere it is but its described as a layer. Read it and weep.

    B
     
  11. hoytedow
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    That may be where it is destroyed and created, but that is not where it stays, any more than water vapor stays at the surface of the ocean. Everything gaseous gets dispersed. Learn, Grasshopper.
     
  12. Littleship
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    I think we can say that when the "scientists" said the ozone would deplete and we would all fry was wrong and now they say global warming people want to get on that wagon. I'd like to believe all the testimonials from people on infomercials selling exercise equipment too.
     
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  13. Boston

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    all things being equal that may be true, but all things are not equal and a number of factors are involved in creating various layers within the atmosphere

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    as Jerry once said

    you aint going to learn
    what you dont want to know
     
  14. troy2000
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    Nothing more dangerous than just a little knowledge.:)

    Gases don't intermingle instantly, especially over large volumes, and are never truly evenly distributed except in an 'ideal' (imaginary, theoretical) atmosphere.

    And by the way, Dalton's Law of Partial Pressure has nothing at all to do with how gases mingle.

    What it addresses is pressures, and it simply states that once gases have intermingled, the pressure of the gas mixture is the sum of the partial pressures of the individual components of the gas mixture.

    Junior year physics, Hoyt. I'm rusty; it's been 45 years. It took a while for it to sink in that you were citing a law that deals with pressures in gas mixtures, not one that predicts how the gases will mix.;)
     

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    It is not like building a pousse cafe. It is gas. gas experiences Brownian motion, just like all molecules do. Since all CO2 is created at the surface of the Earthor in the oceans, perhaps the troposphere should be called the CO2 layer, but it isn't. The stratosphere may have a higher concentration of ozone, mainly because it is nearer the Sun, but calling it the ozone layer is misleading, at best.

    http://www.grouprecipes.com/83313/pousse-cafe.html
     

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