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  1. mighetto
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    Well I am unsure of where you are coming from. Sailboat racing is not racing it is a race game and there are rules to the game and it is a board game, where the board is the race course. It is also a design game because you can design the vessel for the course and for the rules if those rules involve design. It is surprising to me how many do not know this. Do you play any other game without first reading the rules? And while playing any other game do you not call it cheeting when those rules are broken? I see nothing different about Internet behavior than dockside behavior when it comes to sailing. Both are part of the race game and I think the existing rules that are applied to dockside behavior also apply to Internet behavior. The protest if it had been filed by the committee would have clearified this. It would have been president setting and would have advanced the sport. Perhaps just the warning shot has already done this.

    Damn it - I have just been drafted for yet another committee. Argh save me.
     
  2. pkoken
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    pkoken S/V Samadhi V

    Nothing you said has anything to do with internet forums Frank, Every race I have participated in had meetings (in person) to discuss protests / rules / course changes... are you saying that your particular racing organization has decided to do away with skippers meetings and replace them with e-mail? Does everyone racing have a laptop aboard with a wireless e-mail connection? Do you get race spam??

    I have seen & read some pretty stupid protests before, but if you are protesting a race committee because you were banned from a club forum for being an idiot then YOUR protest takes the cake.
     
  3. Shife
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    Shife Anarchist

    "Actually, I know he had help because he obtained my home IP address, or says he did, and that would not have been possible unless he was working with a Sailing Anarchist. "

    Frankie, I've been watching your train wreck thread for quite some time and this is by far one of the more delusional things you've said. You're in IT correct? If so you should have some idea as to how ridiculously easy it is to get someones IP address. Frank, there is no SA conspiracy against you. Get over it.
     
  4. Shife
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    Shife Anarchist

    "With modern reporting, only thrill seakers will run into storms. The storms and hurricanes we had this season on the east coast of the USA confirmed the notion that a distance no greater than 60 miles is all that is needed to avoid storms. This means only operators of slow sailing and motoring vessels can claim competency while relating a story about weathering a storm at sea. That would not be the operator of a race boat."

    Do you really believe this Frank? If so it only proves once again that you have no idea what sailboat racing really is.
     
  5. mistral
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    mistral Senior Member

    Frankie has no idea of what SAILING is.

    Mistral
     
  6. FranksaDork
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    Well, I won't argue about it. I WILL say after reading the above statement that, You have absolutely no idea what is/was going on. Sail is the owner of the BB (not SSSS). He appointed Rich to assist with the moderation due to time restrictions(I won't go into the details of that. Nobody's business).

    As a favor, Sail graciously donated his server space to set up an maintain a board that could be used by SSSS members and other's as a meeting place, much like this one.

    Between your rambling posts and the BS that you attracted to the site, he got fed up with the BB as a whole and decided the "experiment" was (or soon will be) over. That may or may not change depending on what Sail decides but, If SSSS wants a BB, they can start one up. No problem.

    As far as your imaginary "hack" by Tripp Gal and Crank Boy, that's all it is. Imaginary.

    *sigh*. I'm done explaining it to you. Without adding specifics that people here don't need to know or hear I can't make it any more clear and, If you don't get it by now, you won't.
     
  7. barleymalt
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    *sigh*. I'm done explaining it to you. Without adding specifics that people here don't need to know or hear I can't make it any more clear and, If you don't get it by now, you won't.[/QUOTE]

    The really sad thing is that it took 30 odd pages of Mighetroll spew to reach that conclusion. That is time you will never get back. Trying to reason with him is like trying to teach your dog to talk; a noble pursuit, but ultimately pointless.
     
  8. FranksaDork
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    But at least with the dog, you have a slight chance.
     
  9. CT 249
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    Also, if you get pissed off with your dog's inability to learn, you can't take out your frustrations on it....hurting a dumb animal like that is cruel.

    In contrast, taking out your frustrations on a dumb animal like Frank is a good clean sport that should be encouraged.

    Mighetto, you are a two-faced coward. You insult designers, skippers, owners and crews of TP52s and other boats; you accuse a naval architect of committing perjury as part of some bizarre plot; you implicitly assert that rating authorities, designers and builders are committing unprofessional conduct and are failing in professional standards and duties; and then you run away and complain to the race committee.

    Have you ever thought that any organisation MUST ban your ravings lest they be sued for defamation by Teeters, for allowing your disgusting, cheating, low-life paranoid accusations get aired?

    Frank, your activities are threatening the sites you visit and the club of which you are a member. These ravings of yours are published (in technical legal terms) in countries where your BS is clearly defamatory under law. The SSSS HAS to take action to prevent itself landing in trouble because of YOUR actions.
     
  10. Mark 42
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    Mark 42 Senior Member

  11. Shife
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    Shife Anarchist

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  13. CT 249
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    Frank, here's another protest for you....already cut and pasted.


    15 February 2005

    Dear Protest Committee,

    I wish to report a gross breach of good manners and sportsmanship that has brought the sport into disrepute. The allegations of gross misconduct fall under the Racing Rules of Sailing (RRS) 2001-4.

    The gross breach of good manners was committed by the writer, Frank Mighetto, in the course many year's ravings.

    These views are well documented over a period of several years and reviewed critically and are expressed primarily on the internet including a web site I and others from Sailnet.net developed (see http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm)first several years ago and then enhanced regularly owing to critical and sometimes painful review such as that started at Sailing Anarchy.

    TIn my comments in the above, I have repeatedly made vicious accusations of lack of professional knowledge and skill and vile misconduct on the part of almost all professional yacht designers, US sailing instructors and others working in yacht racing; I have accused rating authorities of bad faith and creating unfair systems to disadvantage my boat; I have accused the creators of the TP52 of misleading and deceptive conduct; I have accused Mr Teeters of misleading a court of law; I have accused Macgregor yachts of replacing the M26X with an inferior boat and therefore breaching trades and practices law by representations regarding the design of the newer Mac 26M; I have maligned the US legal system; I have also defamed Mr Frank Bethwaite by comparing his Tasar to my Mac; and I have defamed cods and mullet by comparing their heads and tails to my Mac.

    These smears on my fellow sailors must be considered a breach of good sportsmanship. These breaches - which go so far as to accuse a professional associated with my sport's governing body of committing perjury as part of a conspiracy of powerful figures within the sport - must be considered a breach of good manners.

    I have repeatedly claimed that I have made these accusations as a result of my membership on the committee of SSSS, thereby committing the gross breach of linking my club to my defamatory ravings.

    This publically on Internet forums. The behavior just doesn't appear to be stoppable outside of a formal protest and it likely discourages those considering sailboat racing. My effort will likely continue unless the protest committee can take action at this time.

    I have repeatedly committed the gross breaches of good manners and sportsmanship listed above and I will do so again. Please therefore disqualify me under Rule 69 before I can further harm the sport of sailboat racing.

    Frank Mighetto.
     
  14. Anarchist
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    Anarchist New Member

    :D :D Ya crack me up 249........ Well writen.

    See ya on the weekend mate....... Will be crewing with Kez
     

  15. Mark 42
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    Mark 42 Senior Member

    :p
    You may be watching...
    but he's the one who's gonna go blind from doing it. :D


    One server can't handle the massive bandwidth demands caused
    by all of us flocking to read the 10 myths of sailing... :eek:
     
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