Affordable seaworthy cruiser

Mydauphin,

The tanks are shown on only one side, 400 gal. diesel x 7.5 = 3,000# ; 230 gal. water x 8.3 = 1,900#.

Apex,

PP-53 about same size as Pilgrim, using Buehlers 7,012 miles per 100 gal. would allow circumnavigation with 10% reserve.

 

Raggi,

When using Ark depictions the right proportions should be used.

Peace.

 

This thread has really gotten me thinking about how different people approach going to sea.

A sensible man will obtain for himself the best equipment he can afford, learn what he can about seamanship, and proceed cautiously to sea.

A religious man will approach with the sea as a test of faith, as something to be conquered to prove that they are worthy. As he is testing his own mettle, the equipment doesn't matter, and these types rarely venture to sea with knowledge or safe equipment.

As some point, both men will find that the sea has turned against them, that she is a mistress never mastered. Both men will reach their darkest hour, and pray to God to protect them as the sea turns to a boiling hell around them. But reality is that God helps those who help themselves, and that odds of survival are stacked in favor of the sensible man.

The point, Goodwilltoall, is that we have seen your type before, and we know how it will all end. I remember some folks we met preaching the gospel in rural Mexico many years ago. They had run out of money, and could not afford to go home, had very little food, and their boat was in a state of disrepair. We gave them some food, and fixed a couple of things on the boat, and moved on.

If you can be kept from launching this joke today, we won't have to send people into harm's way to rescue you tomorrow.

 

You are insane Mate. Go and find some help.

How is it possible that a adult person picks exclusively what fits his bias, and ignores completely what might be restricting?

insane.......

 

1. There are no atheists in a storm at sea. If the storm gets bad enough everyone will start praying... Just in case.
2. Only a fool gets in a danger zone with only a prayer on his side.
3. God never said to do something stupid and that he was going to rescue you.
4. The scripture says not to put God to the test.
5. Goodwill inadvertently is doing his religion more harm than good, because people see him as reckless, clueless and just plain dumb. Therefore they think everyone that is a Christian think like him.
6. Goodwill, understand that crossing body of water greater than a few miles is just as dangerous as flying to another planet. A mistake, a flaw, misunderstanding or bad weather and you can die...
7. There is no such thing as luck, but a prepared person is luckier.

 

Screws... loose. Yes, find a heavy stainless screw and bury it sealed in epoxy and stay away from drywall or all but the best s/s deck screws. Get "The New Cold Molded Boatbuilding" book by Ruell Parker, master designer of "boatsmadeofstuffyoubuyatHomeDepotinDumbfuckistan" as he has spent many years designing beautiful, useful craft of shallow draft, lovely lines, and sensible use of available materials, mostly home-grade plywood and available softwoods combined with epoxy and cloth coatings where needed. Google "Ruell Parker Design" and look at his catalog and learn something. You know, I'm really getting old and losing patience with the general level of ignorance in the world today, mostly expressed in religion instead of that old standby of (none of them particularly religious) Aristotle, Archimedes, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Napoleon.... logic, which seems to suit ocean-going just fine. The ocean does not accept prayer, but looks favorably on common sense.
If I think... "Gee, people have been going to sea for more than 50,000 years (Oh, yeah. The world's only 6,000 years old so that's a problem for you), and maybe they learned something in that time about what a boat looks like and structural needs so maybe some of them were smarter than me so maybe if I copy what they did my boat will work and not bloody kill me".
She (yes the ocean is a raging female) will beat your inadequate POS to tiny rounded splinters mixed with the blood of you and your loved ones if you dare treat her with the contempt of ignorance in design and build. End old guy rant.

 

Goodwill, my friend..... As a CG small boat SAR crewman many years ago, I have been in incredibly violent weather few can imagine and I never asked any of the thousands of gods people have prayed to for help, only myself and my shipmates, because they are ever so much more reliable.
I knew very well that only the meticulous care and preparation I was trained to perform as part of a team would ensure my continuing to breathe air instead of salt water. No gods were involved, only diesel engines and clean fuel filters and a thousand other details learned through the experience of others extending back into antiquity.
Over and over I saw the consequences of treating the sea with less than respect as I pulled the bloated dead bodies of the stupid from the brine and watched the crabs climb from their eyes. If we wish to go to sea, educate ourselves and lessen our chances of joining them.

 

Well put, Bataan.

 

OTOH, stupidity has always been a capital crime. Wilful ignorance is functionally indistinguishable from stupidity, so what the hell.

The really annoying bit is that idiots like goody cause governments to put more rules into place to protect people from the consequences of their own actions.

Personally I think the sale/rental of EPIRBs should be banned to all except commercial/professional mariners OR those who have a current insurance policy to cover the cost of rescue. Just go to sea without one and take your chances, nobody is going to waste time/money/lives looking for you when you're overdue.

FWIW I spent over 15 years of my life working on oceanographic research vessels and icebreakers, mostly deep in the Southern Ocean, so I know what the ocean is capable of doing.

PDW

 

This just needed to be quoted!

And I can confirm, that I never prayed, but followed the procedures appropriate for the situation. Even when I lost the boat under my @ss, which happened two times. (no, not my fault, and all souls survived)

One must not pray for a safe journey (although it does not harm), one has to prepare crew and boat for it!
When the going gets tough, there should be no time wasted with fatalistic actions like praying, it should be used to take countermeasures in due time.

Regards
Richard

 

Mr Good, you started out by talking about the proportions of the Ark. But now you have a long and narrow flat bottomed slab-sided box of plywood? How come?

 

Greetings,

 

ICOM!
That's nice to have
Does it need power?

 

1. Surprised no one mentioned chart table or navigation station, thought about this before, tried to ignore it, but it should be there.
2. Reworked steps to enter at cockpit, this presents other problems, what do you guys think of this arrangement?
3. Leaning towards Jubilant, but if going with PP-53 what are some of the diesel engines available in about 16-30HP, and how would you go about installing? Like the Kubotas, Listers, Buhk, Mitsubishi, Duetz, forget about yanmar. Any others you know of?
4. Will have to decrease beam and hull height for 50 foot.

 

Matthew and Bataan

You guys deserve medals of kindness. If you remember the key word "seaworthy" youll know the talk is not about fighting the sea and prevailing. Questions asked are about how to make the design safe, never mentioned going out on the water with blind faith. God gave you abilities to learn seamanship and boat design so you could go out to sea wisely, thank him for that, now quit bragging and get back on topic.

Peace.