The perfect Passagemaker? (style within this genre)

Easy, she's a beaut to look at but I sense she's dark below. Somehow or other you'd need to rework the accomodation to open it up a bit and make it more welcoming/light/relaxing. As it stands, I can imagine a few poker games going on with the air blue with smoke and a couple of empty bottles of Jack on the table!

Will, whatever rings your bell with the first one, I once used the expression "B.U." which caught the attention of a few people.

The most sailor is ok but looks heavy however a lot of yacht for 2 people to sail and maintain.

 

Have not got that, sorry.........

Yes, lot of boat to maintain, but when build in the Epoxy era (and done right), not too much. At least not as much as GRP for example.
But thats again off topic.

Regards
Richard

 

My fault..please see my edit... I believe RHP thought I was a fan...

 

Will - my wife thinks the Foster looks more like a designer shoe than a boat.

I have nothing against good contemporary design. There are some really beautiful, modern boats out there. But, like many boaters, I judge beauty based at least partly on function- and a superstructure that looks like the Starship Voyager's shuttlecraft just doesn't sit right on a boat that'll see rough seas and long passages.

The design elements that produce a universally gorgeous boat haven't changed much over the years. Clean lines, visual balance fore/aft, appropriate proportions (not too tall for the length), a sense of purpose in the styling.... none of the key points have changed. When we get "modern" craft that turn out to be fugly, it's usually because some key principle has been neglected- often the superstructure is built out too far towards the ends (looks out of balance), or too high; sometimes what the designer thinks are "swoopy" lines end up just breaking the profile up in weird ways. Most frequently, the styling doesn't suit the boat- look at any megayacht that's styled like a racing powerboat but only cruises at 11 knots.

The styling of a passagemaker should convey the impression of strength, seaworthiness and efficient practicality. It's not necessary to go back in time to find that, but there are some great, beautiful boats from the mid-20th century that do it well. The modern trend of cramming too much interior volume into a given length leads to a tall, wide, unbalanced appearance not consistent with the rugged, go-anywhere image this type of boat should convey.

 

marshmat,

"modern trend of cramming too much interior volume into a given length leads to a tall, wide, unbalanced appearance"

You mean "postwar" RIGHT?

Or are you just refering to sundeck botels?

Easy

 

I think it looks as an iron.

Taste is highly subjective and individual issue, that’s the reason why I usually avoid discussing aesthetics when talking boats, prefer to talk about functionality, seaworthiness… that sort of things.

But this thread is about style so I had to say it…

Back to the topic, my favourite type would be North Sea trawler. I like aft steering and open deck in front of it. Second place, gentlemans yacht of the sixties.

Don’t like three decks in this size, much to high for the length.

A bit of the topic, William Garden designed some nice motor sailors, (in my opinion), in this price category.

 

The Oceanco built "Achiever", design Gerhard Gilgenast, was one of the rare examples of a perfect solution when one has to put plenty of accommodation above deck level. (have seen her again a few days ago, after 8 years, now named Anedigmi)
She was very clever designed with a mizzen deck.
Here she is seen when she was "Princesa Valentina", the period when her perfectly styled interior (Donald Starkey) was completely screwed up.


Regards
Richard

 

i like the fishing boat style.
they are so strong and powerful.
the free board is quite unusual but make sense
since we talk only style i just comment on that.
can be a inspiration for something more civilized.

 

Couldn't agree more... it is truly a shocking example of design, IMHO.

I'm often astounded at just how awful boats can be - in all manner of aspects. I agree with RHP in that as boats get bigger, the propensity for vulgarity seems to escalate accordingly. Perhaps taste is inversely proportional to wealth....? (Hence my own impeccable taste! ).
But in craft of all sizes, the amount of effort required to build a good looking boat - or at least a well proportioned boat, for style is the most subjective of things - is no more or less than to build an ugly one. How is it that some manage to get it so terribly wrong? As a design is conceptualised, it would be very rare for only one set of eyes to asses its beauty.... that means that nobody involved in the process had the good taste (or courage) to stop and say... "Eww... that's a shocker... start again..."
Bizarre....

 

That vessel is 70 or 80m, a much smaller vessel would obviously have less decks. The Forward house/bridge wings with a full beam (or exceeding with bridge wings) to protect the aft open decks and provide a commanding 360 degree view. A steel hull and alu super would be optimal for weight/CoG.

 

...............and then we would have exactly our #4, the supply vessel style....

 

Now THAT is what gets my interest.

Thank you for the pic, is now wallpaper on one of my monitors....

 

I was thinking about this, and Brian's 1st sentence in particular, and I can't think of many - if any - truly contemporary passagemakers. As suggested there are a myriad of pretenders. My parents own one... an Offshore 64, which whilst a capable coastal cruiser isn't really a true offshore passagemaker in my view. A sistership recently crossed from New Zealand to Oz, so there's no doubt that they are capable of crossing oceans, but they aren't really designed for it. There are others, similar, but as Brian correctly points out, their thundering great powerplants are the 1st giveaway that they are not really intended to appeal to offshore cruisers - theirs is a much wider marketplace.
But interms of styling, they are not at all what I'd call modern - traditional is how I'd describe them. Azimut's Magellano is closer to the mark, but again, she's more coastal cruiser than offshore passagemaker.
I don't know.... are there any truly modern examples...? Perhaps you guy's are right... maybe those who venture offshore don't want to join the 21st century in terms of styling....

 

Patrick Bray's 86' Cape Scott,verrry nice on board.
Used to be red,looked terrible.

 

Well if we're going to go down that route, what about this one? Lovely hull I'm sure you'll all agree........

Apex, its a variation on Option 1, the North Sea Trawler..........