Most economical diesel

Discussion in 'Propulsion' started by Boston, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    oh that is just spooky

    I called the guys at the tractor place today and they mentioned that same engine, seems one of em has a boat.

    naturally I forgot to ask about price though
    genius eh
    so now I'll be wondering all weekend till I get a chance to call em again monday

    the inverter you guys all seem to like
    how much is it

    I kinda like these batteries so I hope I can fit a pretty dam big generator onto that engine

    model 12CS-11PS part number 9900122
    amp hours 342 volts 12 size 22 x 11.25 x 18.25 weight 220 cost $1,125

    and yah things around here are pretty ugly in terms of work so I got really lucky, turns out three former employees work for this same company and one of them was the guy who interviewed me ( pays to me nice to the help eh ). Things are working out really well and they are just the easiest people to work with. I really got lucky with this one. Owner even has invited me for a diner party they are having, so I guess Im in.

    thanks for all the advice
    Im dying of curiosity of the cost of that engine so I think I'll do a quick search
    B

    well that was easy
    not bad
    I found three used ones all with various hours ranging from 5k to 7k
    I think I found my engine kids but Im going to chew on this decision for a bit before I call it final.

    woops my mistake
    two are naturally aspirated and they are both under 5k
    one was turbo and it was 7k
    all were T series which Im happy with

    now to find that inverter unit you guys mentioned

    Transmissions ?
     
  2. mark775

    mark775 Guest

    Over a couple grand, Bos. I don't think we'll find a deal on the Dutch one. The other, yes, but Richard doesn't steer wrong and I'll bite the bullet. I'll say this - Victron's got a good website and I already know where/how to mount, wiring schemat, etc.. Bravo
    As far as the batteries - the best there is but wait untill you see the cost. Consider 8D CAT batteries or those by Harbor Battery, Aberdeen, Washington and save bundles. A lot of lead in those and pretty well made. The Surrettes come in unique and handy sizes tho, if money is no object.
    (We all want the best of everything but these come at such an opportunity cost as to be rendered unreasonable - do you really want to budget $4,000 for house batteries?)
     
  3. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    well engine
    trany
    inverter
    electronics
    apliences
    were always going to be my main expences anyway so I might as well get a good inverter so it doesnt fry my stuff

    by the way
    sent you a PM Mark
     
  4. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    ok I cant find a cost on the inverter but I bet if I call some RV places tomorrow I can at least get an idea. Mark is suggesting several k so Im going to just right that in for now. I need to cost this thing so I can have a target # and set some goals for my budget. Ridiculous as it sounds Im hoping ? gets it built and a few extra gets it to the water. Dont hold me to that cause I have not calculated anything for this hull yet other than pricing a few peripherals.

    cheers
    B
     
  5. mark775

    mark775 Guest

    (Retract that $30k before anyone else notices.)
    Sounds good, Boss! I just looked at the list of distributors and Jamestown whatever was one and they list the price for the 2KW at $2,400 something.
     
  6. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    I second the first comment!

    And, yes, unfortunately that seems to be the price in the US for the 2kW inverter. It is not cheaper in EU.

    Wade through the whitepapers on their website, they are worth reading.

    The alternator/s though should not go over 750$ or so. That buys two 150 Amp/12v Zena Alternators.

    The Surette are worth talking, when you have the lifetime cost and the lifetime throughput as your leading factor. The lower upfront cost of simpler products does not make them a bargain, the opposite!

    Regards
    Richard
     
  7. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    ok
    you know by now what Im up to
    whats your best guess on $
    I'd be dam curious to see who comes closest
     
  8. BTPost
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    BTPost Junior Member

    i am not sure if you folks know the pedigree of Outback Power Systems, but they were the whole Design Team, that did all the Trace Inverters that have such a good Rep. After Trace was sold to The Crap Outfit, they got tired of the new owners, and walked "Out the Back Door", down the street about 300 yards, and started their own outfit called OutBack Power Systems. These guys actually answer their own Phones, and stand behind EVERYTHING that goes out the door. I have designed and installed a number of their systems, around my neighborhood, (neighborhood = 100 Sq Miles) and they JUST Work. Their Sealed Units are ideal for the Marine environment. Service is just a phone call away. That will sure beat anything that comes out of the EU. By the way Boston, when you get your dream ride launched, and float on up my way, Stop by, for a chat. The dock is always OPEN for Nice Folks....
     
  9. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    well thanks B Ill be sure and do that
    I'll catch the first round at the local pub and maybe we can do some fishing if you can break away for an afternoon or two

    cheers
    B
     
  10. FAST FRED
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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    Is the boat going to be "home" , or are you using it while building a shore house?

    If it is the latter , an inverter is useless unless you spend many thousands got a ton or two of batts.

    Two solutions come to mind. A 12V charging set up for loads od battery powered tools. Not as strong as "real" tools , but will work fine withg a construction crew of one.

    Second concept would be (2) DD 2-71 gen sets each is about 20KW , enough to keep a GAGGLE OF CARPENTERS working.

    I would install one in the boat with a Twin Disc marine tranny , and the other at the house site.

    Eventually one will be the spare parts source for the other, B&H under $5K.

    Used gensets are a cheap great source of running engines , and you WATCH the load bank test , so its not a "pig in the poke".

    FF
     
  11. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    ya if there was anything plentiful down at the pawn shops at the moment its used generators. They are typically way less than $5k though, more like a few hundred for just about any size that might be used in construction. except maybe the big tow behind models that could run the whole block.

    there are lots of ways to skin this cat and Im all ears as to the options.

    the boat will be the primary residence and the cabin will be something to escape to if Im getting tired of traveling around and want to put my feet up for a while. it would also be nice to build a little dock to tie up to and a little greenhouse to get the garden started. I got two green thumbs and probably green toes as well, I eat about every other meal out of my garden and its the one thing I would really miss about living aboard. A small loggy to store my stuff and call home base would be kinda nice but I'd be living on board.

    If I remember this right the basic off the grid home has a house bank of x amp hours storage, DC lighting and only run the inverter for the appliances. I have a friend up in Carbondale who runs a biz doing exactly that but I've never worked for him so I'm not as familiar with the set up as I could be

    hell now that Im thinking of it I could probably snag a great deal on some of the stuff I need. I should call him and do a little exploring into that. I know he sells panels and all the stuff but I've never even seen his shop.
     
  12. FAST FRED
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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    I suggest you go to the Home Power Magazine site , and purchase the disc for the back issues.

    Best bucks you will ever spend if you are looking to live "off grid".

    FF
     
  13. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    Anything floating around in the ocean is pretty much off the grid, I used to live in a small town ( and I mean really small, like about 85 or so people ) in a house that was off grid and we had it set up pretty well. Most folks had no idea it was off city power. we had a solar array in the back yard which kinda gave it away but you would be surprised how many folks looked at it and asked what it was
     
  14. dieseldude
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    dieseldude Junior Member

    cheaper

    A cummins 5.9 liter would be a cheaper alternative just for the fact that there is about 10 times more of them floating around than the Deere engines. Dodge pickup trucks, industrial get sets, tractors, farm pumps etc etc etc oh I almost forgot marine versions. :rolleyes:
     

  15. WestVanHan
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    WestVanHan Not a Senior Member

    Cummins 3.9- $500 engine rebuild kits,very long lasting and ~$3k for reman unit or $5-6k brand new.

    You'll never wear it out.

    70 hp NA and up to 250 if turbo and cooled and many states of tune in between....but like DD says just get a 5.9 as it is much smoother
     
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