Dealing with pirates

You are so full of B.S. you must stink. You are just another Jew-hater.

 

I'm not claiming the Israelis are any angels; men who go to war seldom grow wings and haloes--at least in this world. But it seems to me that as a general rule civilians are collateral damage when Israel attacks, rather than the target. The Palestinians, on the other hand, make a habit of deliberately killing unarmed civilians, including women and children.

People can talk to me until they're blue in the face about what monsters the Israelis are. I still won't agree that the Palestinian habit of sending suicide bombers into restaurants and crowded buses is a legitimate military tactic. It's terrorism pure and simple.

 

The Israelis are NOT the underdog in a conflict where their (US provided) war machine is once again facing dangerous opposition, in Gaza that's mostly kids armed with rocks and pathetic home made rockets.

There is no denying - the cowardly IDF has not encountered another army in decades, and on that boat they demonstrated what they do best: Using assault rifles to massacre unarmed civilians

 

Not quite true, they were well thrashed when they invaded Lebanon a couple of years ago, at least that is how it looked on Sky News.

 

Hezbollah - paramilitary force, not an army and certainly not one equipped with modern weapons!

 

Cluster Bombs & White Phosphorous

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/interactives/lebcbomb/

"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.

Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.

The use of such weaponry is controversial mainly due to its inaccuracy and ability to wreak great havoc against indeterminate targets over large areas of territory, with a margin of error of as much as 1,200 meters from the intended target to the area hit.

The cluster rounds which don't detonate on impact, believed by the United Nations to be around 40% of those fired by the IDF in Lebanon, remain on the ground as unexploded munitions, effectively littering the landscape with thousands of land mines which will continue to claim victims long after the war has ended.

Because of their high level of failure to detonate, it is believed that there are around 500,000 unexploded munitions on the ground in Lebanon. To date 12 Lebanese civilians have been killed by these mines since the end of the war.

According to the commander, in order to compensate for the inaccuracy of the rockets and the inability to strike individual targets precisely, units would "flood" the battlefield with munitions, accounting for the littered and explosive landscape of post-war Lebanon."


Israel also used phosphorous shells (white phosphorous) on civilians in Gaza. Have you ever seen what this weapon does to human body...and it doesn't even have to be in direct contact.

.excessive injury and unnecessary suffering
It has come to light that IDF soldiers fired phosphorous rounds in order to cause fires in Lebanon. An artillery commander has admitted to seeing trucks loaded with phosphorous rounds on their way to artillery crews in the north of Israel.

A direct hit from a phosphorous shell typically causes severe burns and a slow, painful death.

International law forbids the use of weapons that cause "excessive injury and unnecessary suffering", and many experts are of the opinion that phosphorous rounds fall directly in that category.

The International Red Cross has determined that international law forbids the use of phosphorous and other types of flammable rounds against personnel, both civilian and military.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5447590.ece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbqieZwjhZA



Yet every time the UN seeks to issue a condemnation for such acts, its the USA vote that veto's it....wonder why the USA is seen as such a biased agent in this situation We really need to get the world of nations involved in working towards a peace solution. This one-sided actions on our part is being utilized by all those Muslim schools to preach the HATE against the USA. Thousands upon thousands of young kids in this world are growing up to hate the USA. If even a minuit percentage of those turn into violate terrorist we are in for a long trip of defending ourselves. Let us become more equal brokers of peace, please

 

You're passing on a deliberate lie. They had no assault rifles. They had paintball guns and pistols, because they were expecting to do crowd control--not fight for their lives.

You might sneer at homemade rockets, but the Palestinians are firing them at Israeli towns in an attempt to kill women and children. And I've said it before and I'll say it again: only a bunch of effing idiots provoke armed soldiers by throwing rocks at them.

You know, you're entitled not to like Jews or Israelis. That doesn't mean you should be posting complete BS.

 

When's the last time the UN voted to condemn sending suicide bombers and rockets across the border to target civilians? Seems to me it isn't just the US that is one-sided....

 

God, I had no idea that there were so many that hate Israel. Makes me sick...

 

Not so sure about the hate.. might be only a point of view, considering the fact that it's disc(g?)ussed in this particular thread

 

Yes me to.
It will be nice to have some restrain, and don't judge an entire population just by reading or watching the news. Which they do, and after being completely submerged, between this typical TV sequance

Victoria Secret,
The war in Afghanistan,
The baby shampoo,
The genocide in Africa,
The best tooth brush,
The devastation of the earthquake in Chine,
The most efficient shaving cream,

After they get all this garbage on there head, they declare:

WHAT A ***** THEY ARE.
Just a waste of humanity, a trailer trash who bang the wife Saturday night after been full of cheap beer.
SHAME ON YOU FOR WRITING THIS AND THINKING IT
I have no sympathy for fecal smelly brain.

Daniel

 

Israel can and should exist, the Palestinian can and should exist, they are in fact historically brother.
What is wrong with these peoples?
The land is large enough for all of them.
Why they can find a common language, embrace each other as a brother, as the people of Israel and the Palestinian want. Not their government, the people.
Go over there, it is an eye opening. Both are beautiful people.
In fact it is strange, but in general people want peace, governments want war.
Democracy some one?
God help us
Daniel

 

Certainly a terroristic force which kills and maims innocent women and children has no right to claim victimhood.

 

May the day come soon when the UN leaves the United States, never to return.Teach the enemy that war is Hell until they abandon their murderous campaign.

 

Troy, I see in your profile that you are a Vietnam veteran.

I don’t want to hurt your feelings, or insult you, but I must say it sounds rather strange how you have put it.

It wasn’t Vietnamese who were blowing up American neighborhoods and civilians. It was other way around. US armed forces were blowing up Vietnamese neighborhoods, (and Laos and Cambodia), millions of them, for years.

As a matter of fact, 35 years after ending of the war, it is still going on in a way - Laos, the most heavily bombed country in history, have to this day on average three hundred new casualties each year from leftover, unexploded US ordnance. Third of the victims are children.

Yes, I believe you wouldn’t. People do tend to want revenge in such tragic circumstances. Maybe you wouldn’t even show mercy not just to them but to their loved ones as well.

Imagine for a moment, that armed forces of other nation killed your family, friends and neighbors. You lost everything what you cared for. You survived, barely, but you life is one big misery. You are very poor, each day is fighting for a bare survival. You have no future. You are pushed around and humiliated daily by the people of the same nation that killed your loved ones.

After some time, you wake up one morning and decide that you had enough. You have nothing more to live for. But, there is one, only thing that you still want – revenge. Problem is, people that killed your loved ones are unreachable. They are very well protected behind high, thick walls and armed guards, or they may be anonymous. It was some guy somewhere, miles away, moving a joystick that guided missile that wiped out your whole world in the fraction of second. So, you can’t reach him. But there are others that belong to his “tribe” that you can reach. So, you take some of them with you on your way out.

Isn’t that big part of the Israeli – Palestinian story? On one side modern, high – teach army inflicting huge collateral damage figures on the weak, desperate people that are answering with desperate acts.

How strange we didn’t hear anything about these rather unfortunate acts of our former friends, way back when they shoot Russians? We called them freedom fighters then. They were our best pals, bringing freedom to Afghanistan and the world.

Twenty, some odd years later, same people, doing same things. We used to call them freedom fighters, now we call them terrorists. The only thing that changed is that they shoot at us now.

By the way, nobody told us that Afghanis who were friends of Russians were doing their best to get as much of the girls in the schools as possible. Maybe we choose wrong side? End are we doing better than Russians? After so many wedding parties we blowed up?

Yes, difference between collateral damage and terrorism. Collateral damage is when “we” kill “their” civilians. Terrorism is when “they” kill "ours", civilians, or even solders that are occupying their country.

Do you think that those on the receiving end see any difference between the two? Terrorism, poor man’s Air Force?

Yes, they should keep that fact in mind. Present politics is not very wise in the long term. They now depend totally on the US support. No baddy knows what the future may bring. They should find some compromise with neighbors for their own sake.

I don’t hate any baddy. I have nothing against Jews, Israel or any other nation. We are all people on this small planet, and we could do so much better, for all …