physics and intuition

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  1. kistinie
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    Really ?
    Try to think twice to your answer and the initial question.

    Do you have an idea of how i make my living ?
    With poetry, sport or science ? ( note that i love them all)
     
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    The more you learn science, not only in deep in a single domain, but in every possible domain, the more your intuition will be accurate.

    In other word, the more generalist your are, the more intuitive you will be.

    In the age of enlightenment this model was called a gentilhomme.
    This ideal guy was able to discuss with anybody of anything using the anchorage of its wide knowledge to have good intuition

    An example of this statement is chemistry and cooking:
    http://science.howstuffworks.com/molecular-gastronomy5.htm
     
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    I'm sorry; I thought this was a philosophical discussion.

    In that case, I remember a long time ago, learning about parabolas, ellipses, and hyperbolas, in algebra. Although the first ones in history, where constructed from cutting sections in a cone.

    So clearly they were observed and controlled long before the algebra to determine them was discovered (invented?).
     
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    Nonsense. Geometry is just one branch of mathematics.
     
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    I think that this post is not philosophical, but whether intuition and science are equivalent. That is a question of facts.
     
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    Then, definitely no, they are not equivalent.

    Physicist Ernest Rutherford made certain measurements that were unexpected, and it led him to propose a new model of the atomic structure. I can't see that intuition came into the story before he conducted his experiments, and why it was important in any way after.
    Sure, his intuition may have led him to doubt previous atomic models, but that's not *equivalent* to measuring something, proposing a hypothesis, and then testing it against other sets of experiments.

    IMO it would take some pretty desperate linguistic shoe-horning to make them comparable for the sake of an argument, let alone equivalent in some way. Then again, physicist Alan Sokal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair) could probably do it, and have it pass peer-review in some Journal edited by post-modern *******. :)

    Leo.
     
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    Lets take this example
    An astronomer studying the galaxy looks at black hole.
    With the image his eyes see, he gets the idea of a general rule... he will try do demonstrate, afterwards, with maths. And he will ...later.
    Geometry explains maths first, before maths.


    Is there a diode i did not see ?
    Can you explain why this relation is not commutative ?

    Nonsense ;-)

    I love this word in science.
    But you understand that for such a postulate, a minimum of demonstration is necessary.

    Regards.
     
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    Geometry is a branch of mathematics. It does not explain it. It is a subgroup(that is in mathematics groups )
     
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    Ok so graphic resolution is impossible ?

    I love graphic resolution :confused:

    So i'm always wrong when doing it !

    :D

    illogical captain Gonzo !
     
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    Graphs are also a branch of mathematics. It is called Cartesian coordinates
     
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    du grec ancien φιλοσοφία, composé de φιλεῖν, « aimer » et σοφία, « la sagesse, le savoir », c'est-à-dire littéralement : « l'amour de la sagesse »)

    So

    Philosophy means : love of "wisdom and good behaviour"

    if i compare with the brother "subject" http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/open-discussion/intuition-vs-science-21367.html#post185831, 2 year ago, i must say this time, this is more Philosophy than it used to be.


    Now i agree, it is never enough, philosophy ;-)


    Yes, equivalent as both are tools here for the same goal : Understanding
     
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    It is interesting how over the years, this has not changed, in spite of whatever technology might have been involved.

    But, in the world of design and creation, the two are inextricably linked.

    A more practical observation might be between talent and skill. Only people with talent can perform certain jobs, others can become technically competent and even quite pronounced in their field, but they will never be geniuses. Others with talent, sometime loose themselves and never aspire to be the best.

    Every once in a while a highly driven, talented persons, seeks to be the best. That person will learn everything they can and use all of it to inspire and be inspired.

    No, I think this conversation is philosophical in nature.

    I think Kristinie meant that you can understand geometry separate from algebra. I don’t think she meant math, (we don’t say ”maths” in the United States) that might have been a translation error.

    All of the great historical works of design preceded the math associated with them. And even now math fails us in a design that is completely off the wall.

    The programs to evaluate models are based on empirical data collected over many years of testing. The forms (shapes) to test, came before the data. So really, intuition is the driving force for innovation; math and science are the engines for improvement and imitation
     

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    Math is an abstraction. There is no need for any physical data.
     
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