glassing over stryofoam

Discussion in 'Fiberglass and Composite Boat Building' started by Ron Skelly, Jan 7, 2010.

  1. gonzo
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    Latex is soluble in styrene. I don't think it will work.
     
  2. jonr
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    Is there a way to use styrofoam as the mold for a sealed space and then dissolve/drain the styrofoam out to reduce weight?

    Is there a structural advantage to then filling the cavity with pressurized air and sealing it? Ie, like a inflatable but with hard materials.
     
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    It would be a very complicated technology. The Saturn V rockets were kept rigid with fuel pressure.
     
  4. Ron Skelly
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    Are you saying to make sure all the styrofaom is covered even if using epoxy?
     
  5. gonzo
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    If you use epoxy there is no need to put anything on.
     
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    Evidently dissolving the styrofoam male mold is called "lost foam" construction and is in use. Sounds like a good technique when combined with a CNC router to create the mold.
     
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    What do you propose to do with the toxic waste?
     
  8. Ron Skelly
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    Thanks Gonzo..what do you think of the suggestion to use plaster over the foam?
     
  9. apex1

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    Use nothing over the foam!

    The bond of epoxy to the foam is good to sufficient when the first layer of glass fabric is not too coarse. Say under 100gram m².

    For such a small boat I would build a female mold. The weight of the foamcore and much more, the weight of the fairing putty to get a proper result, will make this a heavy boat.

    When you just go for a sample your method is ok though.

    And use the cheapest Epoxy resin you can find! Do´nt let them talk you into "quality" or "Marine grade" thats nonsense. The quality of ALL resins on the market is top.
    Do not use a hardener with a too long pot life, they need a postcuring at high temperatures. A procedure Styrofoam does´nt like.
    Do the layup in one go! That means, do not let one layer cure completely before you apply the next. That makes a much stronger structure and does never delaminate.

    Take care!

    Hoytedow said "I have heard", that does´nt mean much (sorry Hoyt).

    Gonzo has done what he is talking about!

    Rwatson seems to have understood a mold to be built. (where plaster is a common method in homebuilds)

    jonr never knows what he is talking!

    Regards
    Richard
     
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    The only problem with epoxy, is if it has too high viscosity. However, with a light fabric it shouldn't be a problem
     
  11. Frosty

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    Let me get this straight . That foam that your Tv comes in will melt with polyester resin I know but your saying epoxy will not have such an effect?
     
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    Right.
     
  13. SolomonGrundy
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    SolomonGrundy I'm not crazy...

    polystyrene and epoxy

    Yup.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaYtu17Xt_M

    ...and, as usual, RW is dead on. Vacume bagging and post cure is the ONLY way to go for glass over foam.
     
  14. Frosty

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    Well can't you thin it a bit with some acetone for the first coat till its firm enough to be rough handled?
     

  15. apex1

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    Yes, acetone is a perfect solution.........

    to get rid of the foam.

    Never use thinner with epoxy! Ramp up the temperature instead, or get a thinner resin.
     
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