The Climate Change Hoax

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  1. masalai
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    The only USA based climatologists I know are Dr. Jeff Masters & a Professor at U of Michigan 'RickyRood' - leads a course on climate change and how it interplays with business, and policy, and ... from http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/ and that which I read from their respective blogs is my main source... For me personally, climate is always changing, weather it be caused by a butterfly flapping in the Amazon, or another eruption by Karakatau, or variations in sunspots, or surrounding earthly 'belts'....
     
  2. Aviator5
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    Back in 60s my grandpa used to complain that climate is changing because of those damn rockets, that drilling holes in the sky.
     
  3. mark775

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    Even the Pseudo-scientists, "scientists" (AlGorelike), and scientists specializing in areas other than climate are quietly concurring that the last ten years do not fit the model that they made to fit what is happening with the climate. That is, in large part, what the intercepted Anglia Emails were trying to cover up and what is emboldening people like me to speak up about this BS. "...the arctic was bare of ice for the first time in many thousands of years"? Just a minute here, I'd go check, but the ice is so F'ing thick I can't get my boat out of the harbor (about 400 miles south of the arctic circle). Old guys havn't seen this much ice since the fifties. The melting arctic thing is absolute BS, there are more polar bears than in my lifetime, just a minute, again... Friday night races from my back porch on Beluga lake...
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    Seriously, who told you that the arctic is melting, the Goricle? This is beyond stupid. A damned airplane landed on Kenai lake by accident again. There are ice chunks as big as houses floating in the inlet. What mountaintops are bare of snow...in what season? Not here - I'm freezing my *** off!
     
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    just because he was there and didnt find any ice, dosnt mean theres no ice there
     
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    Sorry ...I really don`t understand your post :

    If he did not find any ice ........
    How can there be any ???????:confused:

    Unless ,of course he is lying too......

    OH F#ck it , ...I`m done here.
     
  7. mark775

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    "Arctic sea ice has duped satellites into reporting thick multiyear sea ice where in fact none exists, a new study by University of Manitoba researcher David Barber has found." - Sorry, you are absolutely right. This dude, having never been there before, not having any empirical evidence concerning what the ice should be like, found something he could use to get a paper published, get his grant fulfilled, and get recognition amongst fellow warmers. He would never make a study match the desired outcome because he is a scientist! "...so heavily decayed the Amundsen easily broke through floes six to eight meters thick. Indeed, through most of the journey the Amundsen sailed at an average speed of 24km/h; its open water cruising speed is about 25km/h." Most of the journey was in water that should have been open, they didn't do 13 knots through any six meter ice, dirty or not. 2007...hmm, wasn't that the year these aholes got caught substituting September for October because the numbers fit their curve better? Get some science and check back in.
     
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    im in denile
     
  9. Marco1
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    http://www.news.com.au/antarctic-ice-is-growing-not-melting-away/story-0-1225700043191

    However, the truth does never come in the way of a good story.
    Someone is making money selling scary books about ice metling and creating websites and manifestos and corporate action plans and school curriculum, becuase "Our ice is melting!!!!!!! "

    NOT.

    http://www.ouricebergismelting.com/html/manifesto.html
     
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    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/goddard_polar_ice/

    Are the ice caps melting?
    Climate science's bipolar disorder

    By Steven Goddard • Get more from this author

    Posted in Environment, 3rd July 2008 15:46 GMT

    PBEM The headlines last week brought us terrifying news: The North Pole will be ice-free this summer "for the first time in human history," wrote Steve Connor in The Independent. Or so the experts at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado predict. This sounds very frightening, so let's look at the facts about polar sea ice.

    As usual, there are a couple of huge problems with the reports.

    Firstly, the story is neither alarming nor unique.

    In the August 29, 2000 edition of the New York Times, the same NSIDC expert, Mark Serreze, said:

    "There's nothing to be necessarily alarmed about. There's been open water at the pole before. We have no clear evidence at this point that this is related to global climate change."

    During the summer of 2000 there was "a large body of ice-free water about 10 miles long and 3 miles wide near the pole". Also in 2000, Dr Claire Parkinson at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center was quoted as saying: "The fact of having no ice at the pole is not so stunning."
    Royal Navy submarines at the North Pole, May 1987

    Submarines regularly surface at the North Pole

    Secondly, the likelihood of the North Pole being ice free this summer is actually quite slim. There are only a few weeks left where the sun is high enough to melt ice at the North Pole. The sun is less than 23 degrees above the horizon, and by mid-August will be less than 15 degrees above it. Temperatures in Greenland have been cold this summer, and winds are not favorable for a repeat. Currently, there is about one million km2 more ice than there was on this date last summer.

    So what is really going on at the poles?
    The Tipping Point that wouldn't tip

    Satellite records have been kept for polar sea ice over the last thirty years by the University Of Illinois. In 2007 2008, two very different records were set. The Arctic broke the previous record for the least sea ice area ever recorded, while the Antarctic broke the record for the most sea ice area ever recorded. Summed up over the entire earth, polar ice has remained constant. As seen below, there has been no net gain or loss of polar sea ice since records began.

    Global Sea Icea Area 1979-present

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    Last week, Dr James Hansen from NASA spoke about how CO2 is affecting the polar ice caps.

    "We see a tipping point occurring right before our eyes... The Arctic is the first tipping point and it's occurring exactly the way we said it would," he said.

    Well, not exactly.

    Hansen is only telling half the story. In the 1980s the same Dr Hansen wrote a paper titled Climate Sensitivity to Increasing Greenhouse Gases [pdf], in which he explained how CO2 causes "polar amplification." He predicted nearly symmetrical warming at both poles. As shown in Figure 2-2 from the article, Hansen calculated that both the Arctic and Antarctic would warm by 5-6 degrees Centigrade. His predictions were largely incorrect, as most of Antarctica has cooled and sea ice has rapidly expanded. The evidence does not support the theory.

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  11. boat fan
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    Those Corrupt Lying Mother F#cking Scum Scientists Again !

    :D:D:D:D

    Round ALL of Them Up And Herd Them Into The Nearest Concentration Camp Where They Belong !

    :D:D:D:D

    Enjoy Folks .........Bye
     
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    Michael Savage's real name is Michael Allen Weiner, and he's written 19 books under that name. He's the author of The Complete Book of Homeopathy, which has gone through multiple printings and revisions. He pumps out books tailored to whatever nutritional or herbal fad happens to be big...including gems like "The Antioxidant Cookbook: A Nutritionist's Secret Strategy." He also wrote Weiner's Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine, in which he advocated the medical benefits of marijuana. Strangely enough, he doesn't mention that book when he's ranting against marijuana on his conservative talk show.....

    Face it: the man's a literary and political *****, who works both sides of the street.
     
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    Yet to keep the balance lets just post this jem that equates in wisdom the flat earth supporters. Hang on tite the earth is actually going to stop and start rotating the other way. Now this did not even ocurr to our Kevin von Münchhausen.

     
  14. Marco1
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    Now if Savage is a "political *****" what would you call this two gems, Munro and Gomez? The Spanish dinamic duo that turned the earth around?

    We will soon need to count the weeks backwards, starting Sunday, then Saturday, friday .... ah the delights of computer modelling, there is your real *****. Apocaliptic *****.
     

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    No. Saying the Earth's rotation 'could be affected' is a far cry from saying it's going to stop and start rotating the other way. Where do you come up with this nonsense?

    And apparently you didn't notice this sentence, which makes it clear that no one is threatening us with a doomsday scenario:
     
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