developing new 36' C/R, market research ...

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by lucas adriaanse, Sep 21, 2004.

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  1. lucas adriaanse
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    lucas adriaanse amazing-sailing.com

    Well Asathor .... some like it hot, some don't. Fortunately we all are allowed our own personal taste. Which is not ment to say I don't like your idea.
    I feel that the large windows are 'out' in Europe. Most new designs don't have them anymore in EU. Unless you go for the live aboard ones.

    It won't be too difficult to cater for the customer that wants custom build 'windows'. The basic design, however, will not feature them, since the boat will be light and airy inside already. With standard portholes you can use the openings ones, which is an advantage when in port on hot days.

    The challenge in 'small series building' is to find solutions to allow for custom details. So, who knows, may be I will be able to send you a real photo of your coachroof idea someday.

    Lucas
     
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    Thx Sean. The only thing missing is the name of the boatsponsor ....

    Lucas
     
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    Nice boat but I have to agree about the lack of windows. Big windows are something you really appreciate when you have them. Personally, not only am I not too sure about the vertical stem but I notice that few (perhaps no) popular yachts have them. I wonder if there's something inherently more satisfying aesthetically. We all know beauty is subject to fashion but aren't most beautiful things full of compound curves? When we see a popular "artistic" pic of a yacht sailing it's normally a J or a metre boat with long, sweeping ends - not a short-ended boat.

    I basically come from the Australian dinghy culture, where vertical bows are the norm, but even there I think many people think that raked is more attractive. Ever notice that the most succesful box rule in cruiser-racers, the Micro Cup rule, has a raked bow mandated by the rules? Is it a coincidence that the beautiful boats like 12 metres are a boom class and the Micros are still succesful?

    Finally, not a bad interior - but when I spent a decade testing boats as a journalist, I don't think I found more than a couple that had a decent amount of working space in the galley and this has the same problem. Put yourself in the galley, cooking for some friends or the family - after all that's why the boat has an interior. So you've got say 2 saucepans, a bunch of spices, maybe 6 dinner plates, a salad bowl, and utensils. Where are they going to go? Is the chart table sloped and therefore unsuitable?

    OK, you could say "hey it's a yacht" - but if you were the wife (and I don;t want to be sexist but that's the normal way) whose husband had just spend loads of bucks on a "kitchen" that was less comfortable than that of a tent, wouldn't you get a bit narked? Isn't much of the pride of ownership (for many people) having friends over for a meal?

    It's bizarre, but my old 28' lightweight half tonner has more working space in the galley than most 40'ers. Proof that designers are non-cooking men!

    Still, overall a nice boat. Capacious cruiser-racer with assy and IRC potential in spades. Cool.
     
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    How big is the v-berth, really?

    Is it possible to tell if the boat has adequate storage from these drawings? Can a full crew bring their seabags aboard and get them stored away.
     
  7. lucas adriaanse
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    The v-berth is 2m45 long and can be extended to 2m75. With extension in place max. width is 1m70 (and 0m70 at footlenght).

    Under all bunks you will find storage. Of course it depends on what kind of sailing you do, but when we ourselves race (overnight) we have no trouble storing all bags for 6 crew on our Corby 34.7 (+ rations for several days). The 36 has a little more storage even. But, if we would make this design a 'mobile home' we would be missing the point.
    Remember this design is aimed at winning races at high performance level, with a sensible interior for some parttime shorthanded cruising (more than 4 crew on even a 36' can be a crowd). If weight is of less importance to the owner, a package of lockers/cupboards (probably dismountable) behind the settees will become available.

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  8. lucas adriaanse
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    The verticals are quite fashionable in Europe nowadays. I am sure it is a matter of taste, besides effectiveness. The verticals give you a yacht with the largest sailinglenght and volume at a certain max. overall lenght. (why buy a 39-footer and spend more - also on harbour dues - if a modern 36-footer will give you the same) Sure some 'old' boats look mighty fine, but ever noticed how much space is just wasted on these boats ?

    I must confess I am not much of a cook onboard, and neither is my wife .... But we have given this part of the yacht some thought: above the off-watch seat right behind the galley there is a hinged worktop-extension. (And the charttable isn't sloped ....) Personally, the 1m90 headroom in the galley is a favorite.
    For the true gourmet cook probably we would have to say: so sorry, you might be on the wrong boat ... but let me make you a 2-course dinner.

    On the upside (without being sexist): the smaller the 'kitchen' the less will be expected from 'the misses' - I know several that would not mind NOT having to cook on the yacht too; buy the yacht and cook for her (aahhhh), she will probably even like that better !

    Guest-journalist, thx for your comment, which is duely noted.

    Lucas
     
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