Global economic situation for liveaboard cruising yachties

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  1. Boston

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    actually the days of using grain to produce fuel alcohol are numbered
    I follow the alcohol fuel research pretty closely and the process of steam fracturing and enzyme modification is just about ready for market so that in the very near future whats called "celulitic" alcohol will be available
    cheep
    basically any wood fiber will be able to yield about twice the amount of alcohol that grain does today
    there are pilot plants already up and running
    its just the economic times set the production process back a few years

    fuel alcohol contains about 2/3 the BTU's of gasoline gallon for gallon
     
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    But that would not be much - maybe enough for the employees, but the corn and other products that must be grown on good farmlands to be converted to fuel, means no food for the lot-fed beef or pen-fed hogs or battery poultry, so less food for humanity, just to feed the gas-guzzlers, and how to get all ******* to change to small diesel engine cars inside 5 years? - all I can suggest is "get real"?

    Then there is the infrastructure to distribute the fuel, the plant to crack/refine the fuel, the fuel storage facilities as the crops are annual so a years storage space must be built - not inside 20 years from the decision date, and the fuel runs out in 5 years after that date and the economic crisis means no money to capitalise the works required as "printing" the money as we have been doing since several years ago will exaggerate the problems to the extent that global economies will collapse..... - through a total lack of faith in any ones "money"...
     
  3. Boston

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    the delivery systems are already in place
    the fuel can be as simple as wood chips
    the pilot plants are up and sitting just waiting for gas to hit 100 a barrel again
    and the volume of fuel they are able to produce is staggering
    the process is just as fast as that to produce grain alcohol or almost and results in 2~3 times the yield
    and that's just to start
    old news papers could provide enough fuel to keep up busy for a while
    basically yard waste could be used if collecting it was economical
    which it is not

    the one thing that folks always forget when they talk about recycling is the redistribution cost
    someone has to go drive around and collect all that stuff
    millions of people driving ten miles to recycle one pound of aluminum is a huge loss
    and aluminum has a gigantic embodied energy
    go calculate it with say
    plastics and see how the energy costs work out ( half of what aluminum is )
    or better yet glass which is about 1/10 of plastic and 1/20 of aluminum
    what it boils down to is if there is not a specific collections system set up its hardly worth it to recycle
    at least buy individuals delivering small amounts to far off collection points
     
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    Well I am enjoying listening to the financial sense news http://www.financialsense.com/fsn/main.html 3rd hour part one, Oh ****, one cannot trust American promises - admitted by Americans! - Dump T notes etc now because if China feels the need to re-assign its US holdings, the US$ WILL be cheap wallpaper... and you can ONLY blame the FED and Bernankie.... and the stupidity of Geitner who had the gaul to assure the Chinese that US debts would be honoured - laughed at by the whole audience...

    DO NOT BUY gold or silver ETF or other paper forms of "precious metals", as the short sellers (FED and its agents) seeking to keep the price of silver/gold METAL etc down and the paper-US$ up - There will be MASSIVE defaults as there is more paper written in NAKED SHORT selling than all the gold ever mined in the world....
     
  6. Boston

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    naked shorting has been illegal for a while now Mass

    thing is Im not even sure what the S&P includes
    frankly it doesn't mater to me that much as long at its moving its got the potential for profit
    I think its a broad market overview of sample holdings but I actually never have looked into it

    I just follow the trends and try and avoid losses for the days when I can hit some nice gains
    basically if I do swing and miss like the other day when it didnt tank for me till the end once I was done anyway
    then I try and make up for it with a few small quick momentum trades and at least make my loss back for the day
    eats trade fees but it keeps me in the pink

    the us market is screwed Mas
    harping on it does no good
    and the Chinese wont let the dollar fall to badly cause they hold so many of em
    why devalue your own version of gold eh
    unless its a power play to kill off the host
    which American consumerism is
    one giant fat pig the world is leaching off of
    the tick needs the pig like the pig needs air
    the two are mutually inclusive
     
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    Naked shorting is still a full on play - especially comex/globex and in derivatives, many claim it is a necessary tool in hedging - I do not agree with it and I feel it should be banned... Using naked shorting can have an adverse effect if targeted and even drive a healthy corporation to financial collapse... (and takeover by those nasty "naked short" players)...

    I play my harp in the hope that some will actually feel that action is warranted and do something about it (write to their congressman?) as the denial of the toxicity infesting the US bourses is destroying any credibility in USA business...
     
  8. Boston

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    naked shorting is when you sell a stock you dont own or didnt lease
    its illegal as all hell round these parts
    not sure whats legal in your area but Ive never even heard of it happening round here

    America is in huge trouble
    just that bit about education in the article you presented was scary enough
    add to that the pathetic self centered efforts of our "leaders" to sell off the manufacturing sector and what you get is a world corporate oligarchy
    its designed to take advantage of everyone mate
    not just america
    and it will

    how to get screwed by government
    coming soon to a theater near you
     
  9. masalai
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    Boston,
    I should be as independent as one can get by mid 2010 or sooner:D:D:D:D

    I must refute the accuracy of your statement as http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Podcast/Podcast.html - listen to http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwo..._Dr._Marc_Faber_files/Dr Marc Faber Intro.mp3 - then try - http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Podcast/Entries/2009/6/12_Ted_Butler_files/Ted Butler.mp3 - and next, listen to - http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwo.../6/12_Dr._Keith_Barron_files/Keith Barron.mp3 - - or one of the others???? . . . . . . had lots to say about 1.5million oz of gold shorted by 2 or 3 major banks that were bailed out by the FED - YES bloody illegal, but done blatantly and openly and forcing Gold to be at least US$200/oz or MORE lower than it should be in an open market.... NO LAWS IN USA????? where are the "tea parties" and fat/lazy/stupid American citizens? just sitting down to a free McDonalds and getting fatter to be made into "Souylent green"?



    http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwo...12_Barry_Ritholtz_files/Barry Ritholtz ED.mp3 is also GOOD and useful info (31min 23 seconds in length)
     
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    Chartist stuff for Boston and others... http://financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/petch/2009/0615.html and also listen to this on scams on shorting gold paper http://www.financialsense.com/Experts/roundtable/2009/0613.html (45 minutes of round table discussion)

    Do not forget to listen to Matt Simmons "PowerPoint" and audio presentation on the state and status of the global oil industry - more unanswered questions than answers - because there are no answers.... http://financialsense.com/index.html - 36 minutes of your time well worth a listen....
     
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    Not to be a conspiracy theorist or anything, but the sooner they can collapse the currency the sooner the can rush in and save us with fully manipulated electronic currency via a nice little RFID chip in our wrist. Be a good citizen comrade or we might just have to turn your chip off. 2 +2 = 5
     
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    Hi AmbitiousAmatur, It is NEWS from your country - other than the "popularist media" who transmit piffle and 'motherhood' statements to keep the masses calm and half asleap (as the media also does in this country):D:D:D - sex & abnormal behaviour shown in prime time, gets the ratings to get the advertising revenue... To get the facts, one must look elsewhere, & my chip was turned off long ago... I am prepared, are you?
     
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    I'll save you reams of pages of professional blah blah blah just paste the conclusion page:

    Ref the S&P Cash Index

    The rise from the lows in the last few months has been dramatic but then again the decline had been
    equally if not more so. However, I would like all to bear in mind that we had some pretty strong moves
    back up in 1987 & I imagine also in the 1970’s & the 1930’s. In 1987 we did recover within a few years
    & continued the Bull Run up. The 1930’s were not so fortunate & am led to believe that the 1970’s
    were of a similar vein. The question is whether we recover pretty soon & are starting to see the
    ‘greenshoots’ or is the rally shortly about to wither & we are nearing ‘brownshoots’?

    The situation for either can be summarised as follows. In the case of the ‘greenshoots’ we have the
    formation of a pretty good Reverse H+S in the past few months which gives the market the opportunity
    to test & break the previously mentioned Long Term Uptrend. So far we have tested the lower Fib of
    the 1982 – 2007 move at 663.65 & failed – the market moved back up & broke up over consecutively
    the 50% Fib of the same move at 837.85 & we have consecutive closes over that as well! We are also
    above the lows of early 2000 & perhaps the market is beginning to feel more optimistic.

    In the case of the ‘brownshoots’…well we are still below the Long Term Uptrend after all this time &
    that recent rises have slowed as we approach the trendline (take a look at the narrowing ranges in the
    past few months on the Monthly Chart). We are also below the combined 1012.10 – 1014.15 Fib levels
    & at 1014.15 we have not even tested the lowest Fib resistance of this 2007 – 2008 drop. The real test
    is still very far away on the 50% Fib at 1121.45 & at the present rate of ascent, the market’s not going
    to make it! Finally, we still have more than enough of a pattern for a Double Top for the whole 21st
    century action & perhaps we should look to the 200’s instead of the 1200’s as a target.

    That is the case laid out as best as I can make it. Personally (& perhaps you will not thank me for this)
    my initial idea was right! Review the market at the end of June but that what it says to me is that unless
    we really have a crack at those higher levels & soon, we may well be retesting the recent lows again. I
    am not fully a ‘brownshoot’ but I am afraid that being a ‘greenshoot’ may not be the answer either
    unless we have some positive action soon.
     

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    I would like to be able to feel optimistic but from what I can see, the bear rally will soon turn to a bear TRAP.... The markets need to fall quite a way down to justify share prices as they should be based on dividends paid through sales derived profits, not just some sort of Ponzi process.... Significant corrections are needed to achieve some level of reality.... The profits from growth and inflation are at an end for many years to come - do not delude yourself, for the fundamentals are non-existent and do not support such blind faith...
     
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