Multiuser ISO-library

The middle man exists. If you join ABYC (http://www.abycinc.org) and subscribe to their online standards access Rulefinder.net, then you will have access to all ABYC, ISO and federal standards. In fact at the Seattle Boat Show they had a special where you got membership and online access for one price. I don't know if that's still available but it never hurts to ask.

 

Not big deal, in my opinion.
From ABYC pages:

"ABYC serves as the Technical Advisory Group to ISO Technical Committee 188 (TC188). In this role, ABYC invites all aspects of the industry to comment on documents covered under TC188. If you would like more information about US involvement in ISO activities, please contact John Adey at techdept@abycinc.org.
All relevant ISO documents are available for purchase from the American National Standards Institute (ANSI). ABYC members receive a 10% discount on relevant ISO orders in the ANSI eStandards Store.

If you wish to learn more about ABYC membership, and how you can take advantage of member benefits such as this discount, click here.

Click here to purchase ISO documents"

10% ??

Cheers.

 

Well, sorry but 10% makes me
Hope we will be able to obtain much better conditions from ISO.

 

That's 10% off , if you buy a hard copy of the standard. However, you can opt for online access, for a fee of course, and have access to all ISO standards that apply to boats.

 

Well, there's always the possibility of directly joining Rulefinder.net (www.rulefinder.net).

Here their membership costs:
http://www.rulefinder.net/images/docs/Rulefinder net Registration-2008v3.pdf

Perhaps through Boatdesign.net we could get a discount here...:?:

Cheers.

 

Well thats 1000e for two years.. not very encouraging. And at that cost it's possible to buy 12 standards directly from ISO without any additional annual fees and it allmost covers everything needed for a boat so

 

http://www.abycinc.org/rulefinder/rcd_iso.cfm Is this what you meant


From an amateur builder point of view.. If I build a boat, lets say 8 years, and during that time need an access to particular standards (maybe 15 of them) occasionally my options are now:
Buy them from ISO 15x80e=1200e
Rulefinder membership 800e+7x200e=2200e
Copy them illegally
Or find out a reasonable access with reasonable price

 

Very interested in this thread, as I'm in the position of finishing a boat for cat C complience, and basically bit the bullit and just bought a couple of the key ISO standards.

What would be the problem with those of us in our profession from forming a company, and then between us subscribing to one of the websites, or just buying the standards? All the standards between 20 people is going to decrease the cost somewhat.
Sunseeker (just as an example of a big company) would only buy one set of the ISO standards or only sign up as a company to a website, and the standards would be available to all their staff.
The original electronic version of the ISO standards could be held on a secure server and only viewed by members of the company.
Whats the difference?

Al.

 

No difference.. and I'm willing to participate in any reasonable solution to come. Your proposal is possible too.. just missing someone willing to provide the server and upkeep it etc.. And for this a site like BoatDesign.net would be about perfect also considering accessibilty for a somewhat larger group of users.. But in this regard we'll better wait a bit untill Jeff has decided before starting to find other site (I think)

 

The International Sailing Federation was looking into this last year. One system already exists and that is the Royal Yachting Association run a site called RCDweb see http://www.rcdweb.com/ which is the cheapest way I have found of accessing the ISO Standards at the moment I havent looked at the ABYC costs but the discounts on the complete package is a lot more than 10% and its web based and has an update fee rather than having to buy the standards again.

I am surprised that ISO replied to you so positively. Normally the deals on ISO standards have to be done with National Standards Body I have some experience of this with the BSi the body for UK when I looked into this a year ago. The cost of creating secure enough servers to store the documents is costly so it is hard to justify the set up costs.

 

Very good info yachty4000, thanks. Prices are very attractive. Probably something like this is what Jeff may consider.

Cheers.

 

Payment amount
New users for 12 months : £440.00 + VAT
£506.00
Existing Subscribers – Anniversary Renewal for 12 months : £140.00 + VAT
£ 161.00

Beats rulefinder.. (not a bargain thou, but..?)

 

Is VAT to be payed if one lives outside of UK?

 

My simple and I am here to be corrected as this is not my specialist subject is that VAT is not payable if your outside the EC. If your in the EC it is payable but if your a registered company for tax purposes in your country then it is either not payable or reclaimable.

As for ISO and shared viewing of the documents from one login this is a hard one. I doubt anyone terms and conditions would allow this without a different subscription rate but there very little that can be done to stop it other than monitoring IP address.

ISO funding is based on the sale of the documents it's another thread I feel to discuss the merits of this so please no responses (my view is I would prefer a direct tax each item built to that standard and free access to all interested parties so everyone knew what they are getting. The current funding model doesn't work as ISO have cancelled meetings etc. It must be expensive for ISO to monitor and preserve the copyright of their documents.)

 

Cheaper ISO standards

Hi,
this is not in the direction of a multiuser library, but it's good news anyway. You can buy ISO standards through the Estonian Centre for standardisation (www.evs.ee) for a fraction of the prices found elsewhere.
Example: ISO 12215-5:2008 - 21.47 euros instead of 140 euros (at ISO).
That makes an 85% discount... I did not manage to get their credic card system to work with my card, had to do a bank transfer but could download standards the day after.
Hope it helps,
Paolo