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  1. the1much
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    the1much hippie dreams

    i didnt research nothing,,,,,,,now your confusing me :D
     
  2. Frosty

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    We dont have apes,--well I aint seen any,-loads of crab eating Macacs and some other little black faced ******** with long tails, I dont know what they call them. Probably 'black faced ********' They are the ones that mastibate on the wall above the swimming pool staring at the girls in bikinis. That makes me jealous. If I did that they would call the police I suppose.
    They also come into the toilet block and watch me having a crap, if they start mastibating again I fire the arse washer at them.

    That shower block is getting like a jungle, I saw a spider in the sink last week, It made me scream, I had to get a Phillappine girl to get it for me.

    Oh and Oh lizards Geeeez theres one that lives in the sewer pipe under the shower block , geez he must be 5 feet!

    You know those stick insects( look like a stick) I saw one of those the other day on the diesel metering shed door, just near the top, it was 5 inches long. Do you know it looked just lik a bit of old twig,--it was'nt I saw it move.
     
  3. the1much
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    hahahahaha,,,,,damned frosty,,,now i dont feel alone,,,well i do, but,,,anyways,,,hehe,,in maine where im from,,we got a few little spiders,,,some small snakes,,,,FREAKS OF NATURE MISQUITTO'S big nuff to carry them monkeys away,,,,,but then i move to the "land of non-skid" and theres like spiders as big as my hand,,,rattle snakes,,,black widows,,all kinds of creepy crawlies,,,,,i was walking 1 day,,shoe string become untied,,saw that string chasing me,,,,,i screamed like bobby boiy having his first "period",,,jumped 6 feet in the air,,and was doing 80mph. before i hit the ground,,,,,,,after 1/2 mile and i stopped,,,had to look around ta see how many people see and heard me,,,,man i now know why they make "adult diapers" :(
    ;)
     
  4. the1much
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    hey how come these "little" countries government makes people be "green" but we "dumbas*'s that we are cant do something as simple as isrial does, and make it law that all water heaters must be "solar powered",,( and no that doesnt mean just letting the sun warm it up,,,hehe,,and have you noticed how we STRIVE to get smart enough to "not kill ourselves",,,and all these "smarts" are bringing us back to "windmill" times,,,,solar ( except now we dont need to set it in a barrel in the sun,,,,,we have panals,,),,,animal,,,,and " community" farming,,,hehehe,,,,just like it was before oil,,,,,funny as hell,,,,we think it sooooo hard to just be "simpler",,,and revert back a few years,,,heh ;)
     
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    Jewish World Review March 12, 2008 / 5 Adar II 5768

    Big corn and ethanol hoax

    By Walter Williams



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    http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | One of the many mandates of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 calls for oil companies to increase the amount of ethanol mixed with gasoline. President Bush said, during his 2006 State of the Union address, "America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world." Let's look at some of the "wonders" of ethanol as a replacement for gasoline.


    Ethanol contains water that distillation cannot remove. As such, it can cause major damage to automobile engines not specifically designed to burn ethanol. The water content of ethanol also risks pipeline corrosion and thus must be shipped by truck, rail car or barge. These shipping methods are far more expensive than pipelines.


    Ethanol is 20 to 30 percent less efficient than gasoline, making it more expensive per highway mile. It takes 450 pounds of corn to produce the ethanol to fill one SUV tank. That's enough corn to feed one person for a year. Plus, it takes more than one gallon of fossil fuel — oil and natural gas — to produce one gallon of ethanol. After all, corn must be grown, fertilized, harvested and trucked to ethanol producers — all of which are fuel-using activities. And, it takes 1,700 gallons of water to produce one gallon of ethanol. On top of all this, if our total annual corn output were put to ethanol production, it would reduce gasoline consumption by 10 or 12 percent.


    Ethanol is so costly that it wouldn't make it in a free market. That's why Congress has enacted major ethanol subsidies, about $1.05 to $1.38 a gallon, which is no less than a tax on consumers. In fact, there's a double tax — one in the form of ethanol subsidies and another in the form of handouts to corn farmers to the tune of $9.5 billion in 2005 alone.


    There's something else wrong with this picture. If Congress and President Bush say we need less reliance on oil and greater use of renewable fuels, then why would Congress impose a stiff tariff, 54 cents a gallon, on ethanol from Brazil? Brazilian ethanol, by the way, is produced from sugar cane and is far more energy efficient, cleaner and cheaper to produce.


    Ethanol production has driven up the prices of corn-fed livestock, such as beef, chicken and dairy products, and products made from corn, such as cereals. As a result of higher demand for corn, other grain prices, such as soybean and wheat, have risen dramatically. The fact that the U.S. is the world's largest grain producer and exporter means that the ethanol-induced higher grain prices will have a worldwide impact on food prices.


    It's easy to understand how the public, looking for cheaper gasoline, can be taken in by the call for increased ethanol usage. But politicians, corn farmers and ethanol producers know they are running a cruel hoax on the American consumer. They are in it for the money. The top leader in the ethanol hoax is Archer Daniels Midland (ADM), the country's largest producer of ethanol. Ethanol producers and the farm lobby have pressured farm state congressmen into believing that it would be political suicide if they didn't support subsidized ethanol production. That's the stick. Campaign contributions play the role of the carrot.


    The ethanol hoax is a good example of a problem economists refer to as narrow, well-defined benefits versus widely dispersed costs. It pays the ethanol lobby to organize and collect money to grease the palms of politicians willing to do their bidding because there's a large benefit for them — higher wages and profits. The millions of gasoline consumers, who fund the benefits through higher fuel and food prices, as well as taxes, are relatively uninformed and have little clout. After all, who do you think a politician will invite into his congressional or White House office to have a heart-to-heart — you or an Archer Daniels Midlands executive?

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    1 acre of corn will also make enough syrup to sweeten 10,000 soda pops's
    more then 75% of corn grown is for,,,,syrup. hehe ;)
    <There's something else wrong with this picture. If Congress and President Bush say we need less reliance on oil and greater use of renewable fuels, then why would Congress impose a stiff tariff, 54 cents a gallon, on ethanol from Brazil? Brazilian ethanol, by the way, is produced from sugar cane and is far more energy efficient, cleaner and cheaper to produce.>

    we did that so we wont have to bow to brazilians like we do the rag-heads,,,,geesh,,,we're a first world country,,,with no money,,,and you guys are to freakin cheap to buy girl scout cookies from us,,,so tariffs are all we have,,,,,geesh,,,,help a country out,,,hehehehe ;)
     
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    masalai masalai

    Just goes to show how "freakin stupid" humanity is...
     
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    I would like to think of myself as an environmentalist. But I also believe in market forces and economics. The biggest factor that is going to effect the switching from oil to other fuels is price. When it becomes too expensive to keep using fossil fuels, new markets will emerge to compete with fossil fuels. Bio Diesel is already alive and well in the U.S as it has become comparable in price to good old unleaded. What looks really killer is all this research into Algae as a new fuel. Apparently it produces a huge energy return compared to it's mass. Whereas corn/ethanol doesn't produce nearly enough fuel per it's mass. Anyway, check out National Geographic for more info.

    FEA
     
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    FEA,

    Yup, far, far, better than the corporate agribusiness welfare scam foisted on us by "our" politicians and the know-nothing anti-oil tree huggers who don't know the first thing about ethanol but promote just because it's not oil (Of course, the pols aren't ours; we only vote them in. They belong to the ones who pay for them. :mad: )

    Market forces are at work; ethanol can fill a role in the fuel spectrum, but there are many other ways to make it, all more efficient than the corn-based process. Some of the other plants require much less water and are not presently food sources, so are much better raw material. The algae process is just out of the lab and beginning the development stage. The future isn't too bad, if we could just get the politicians to stop interfering.
     
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    Corn based ethanol is politically inspired madness. Government should never distort free markets in such away, all it does is corrupt the situation and damage those who can offer real solutions.
     
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    That Algae driven process sounds intriguing. I wonder if it will deliver on its promise?
     
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    The politics goes both ways. The corn farmers are huge political force and they get subsidized by the government. I'm sure they see huge $ when government wants to push for ethanol. So I bet they are influencing the political opinion on this matter. Ethanol is probably the worst bio-fuel available in terms of harm done to the environment by farming it and the amount of waste created by all the unused material.
     
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    Not sure what you mean by "The politics goes both ways" but yes the only reason that corn is subsidized for ethanol production is the power of their lobby group, hence "Corn based ethanol is politically inspired madness". The irony is that they did it to bail the corn farmers out just when myriad other factors where swinging into favour for corn production. They didn't really need the help and will not need it going forward as demand for corn over and above ethanol is growing quite well. It was typical of the sort of bad timing you get with non market driven actions. Talk to a Mexican about it, corn being one of their staples... they have dark thoughts about the US on the matter. Brazil can make ethanol competitively, let them do it otherwise you will pay the cost indirectly through your own food bill.
     
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    subsidized ???,,,some of them ONLY get money from the gov.,,to grow crap that their gonna plow under,,,,how it works is cool,,,,say i buy 100 acres,,farm it 2 years,,then hit the gov. fer that subsidy,,,and im such a bad farmer,,,i only grow 2 acres of ca-ca,,,,,,,,guess what the gov. pays me??? hehe ;)
     

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    Fred
    Couldn't help but take a swipe at this...... I passed through the US last week and it is clearly a country desperately in need of more food.

    Simple solution to both problems is get rid of the big trucks and big bodies that go into them. Ride bikes.

    Actually Australia is a strong challenger for the fattest nation on earth - our food is generally cheaper.

    Rick W.
     
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