About TAFE of VU in Australia

I am in my mid 30'.. still single..

I did internet business for 10 years with BS majoring in Industrial Engineering.

now, I hope to change my career to boat builder..

Actually I know nothing about Boat, cause there are tatally 1 thousand boats in my country(Korea), and just 3 boat company, most of them is just start-up.
I think Boat industry will come to my country in early future..

So I sulfed web to find the TAFE program in Victoria University..

I am curious about several..

1. Is it good to enroll on TAFE program for pre-apprentice to work in Boat field.. if not, any alternatives?

2. In my country, Korea, in its pioneer days in Boat Industry what kind of business model will be prospective. and what should i prepare..

I will wait for sincere answer from you forerunner..


From follower in Korea ^^..

 

hi dogguwalwal,

if you have the inclination to study boatbuilding outside of korea then maybe you could look at going to New Zealand.
The boatbuilding industry in Auckland is large and second to none world wide (imho). Also, you can learn boat building etc at 'UNITEC' in Auckland

certificate in boatbuilding:

http://www.unitec.ac.nz/?241C9784-0E3F-4641-B241-09F07C9F8189

also, the boat building industry in victoria is very small and scattered and so it is possible (likely) the offered education at VU will reflect that. Coomera Tafe (queensland) is surrounded by significant boat building enterprises, and they offer a Certificate III (tradesman level) in Marine Craft Construction.

good luck,
rob

 

Thanks Rob.

Thanks Rob..

Is Queenland Tafe just for those who have experience to gain a recognition?
It's website says like that..

And i've heard that Unitec is good but NZ economy is not good to get the job for the apprentice...

Is that true?

dogguwalwal..

 

right abt NZ, tafe no good and very few jobs here
NZ best, no wrong by far, I,ve seen alloy superyachts there with 75mm bog in them
the very best yards are in Holland Germany
TAFE here does not prepare kids for a career, I know I have two went through, they still have no work 2 years later
try AUSTAL YACHTS IN PERTH

 

dogguwalwal,

Hey mate, TAFE anywhere in Australia can be criticised, but at least they are there and yes they do provide good basic training. I can only recommend them to you.
Your country is really going to jump ahead very soon, China and India are doing so now, and as soon as the North gets back with the South (and that is on the cards of course right now), you will again have the labour force, combined with the technology that is already available from the South, to surge into the world like no other country can. It will be one of the best boat building countries in the world I believe as the labour will be cheap and the technology is already there (from the South). China on the other hand has cheap labour, but they know nothing about the trade technology (in many yards at least), they do not train their technicians and they do not want to learn in many yards as they believe they know what they are doing. Just because they have been doing it for a few years they think they know it all. It is common in western boaubuilding to want to learn more and more every day, take this web site for example, we are all here to share our knowledge and learn from others. The Chinese rarely do that. Koreans on the other hand are great learners and really do want to improve their knowledge base.

It can only be a good thing for you to do the TAFE course, whether you do NZ or AUS is irrelevant in the long run, you will be learning basics of boatbuilding, and that is what is important. Without the foundation of understanding the basics, it is very hard to complete boatbuilding successfully. That is the problem with the Chinese yards, they are monkey see, monkey do yards, coppying everyone else, without the basic understanding of what is really required, that is why they regularly produce crap, they do not understand!

Go for it. You will succed because you want to.

 

What does dogguwalwal mean?

 

and what if those tafe courses employ people that are not suiatable to teach, can not make it in the real world? which happens here all the time
i just spent 3 weeks wiring boats ands fitting out in the biggest small boat manufacturers yard in the country and they know nothing, they build in all the equipement, they are rough as guts Sure I have not been to all yards here, but what I see is not so flash, TAFE guarantees nothing, it is best to find a compnay, a big one like Austal, with in house training And Lubs, seeing as you have lifted you standard of typing, then does that mean I must)

 

Yep. Sorry fellas, I have been very busy and just go mad on typing to get it done, I really should be more careful in future, you are right.

Look mate, I agree they do seem to get a lot of people that could not be employed in real life, but there are also some very good teachers there.

Try Steve Johnson and Keith Lambert at the old Sydney tech, they are both real gentlemen and great teachers, and they also would bend over backwards to help any questions they were not sure of.
Austal etc are great, but you have to work for them of course! The TECH is just training, they are not there to make money.

Again I refer to the basic training required, you and I lazeyjack were fortunate to get this (one way or another), the poor Asian fellas have NO boatbuilding school, so anything is going to be better than nothing, and I am sure that you must have learned SOMETHING whilst at tech.

 

Thanks landlubber

Thanks for your advice..

Well..
About "dogguwalwal"..

"doggu" is dog in korean..
Actually we call dog as "Gae", it is real korean name
But after Korean war in 1950, US troops stationed in Korea, from them our grandfa and ma learned a little english.. from the uneducated old man said that in Korean accent that is "doggu", so we call every dog as doggu like every guy is jack..

and "walwal" is bowwow in Korean..

To sum up.. dog bowwow .. ^^

 

That is just about as bad as "Landlubber" on a boat forum!

Is your bark worse than your bight!

 

You will struggle to find Steve Johnson or Keith Lambert, or Sydney TECH for that matter. They have long since retired and boatbuilding is run out of Meadowbank college now. Head teacher is Ross Brown.

 

I went to Ultimo tech, & had Steve Johnson in his first year- a very cluey bloke, last I heard he was in admin for vehicle trades, Keith I had in my third year, a most genuine, fair dinkum top bloke, gave me heaps of help & a teacher that imparts a culture of quality to students in an easygoing, get the job done style , see him at the boat show most years. The teacher names I hear from Meadowbank are poeple very well regarded in the industry, I reckon theyd be good at it. All the best from Jeff.

 

Hey fellas,

Nice to hear that you all enjoyed your time there as much as I did.

I am sure we all agree that there is much that could still be done at these teaching institutions, but at least we have them.

People living in China have NO facility to go to, good, better or best, they have no boatbuilding departments.

So, again, I repeat, the Tech is a good thing to do. I am sure that you will at least have a thorough understanding of the basics of boatbuilding to start the rest of your life on the learning curve that we all follow, especially those like the forum members who are trying to improve thier current levels of knowledge. I am 58 years old, was born and raised on the waterfront, always had all sorts of boats to play with so my understanding has fortunately grown from an early age.
The Chinese do not even now really have any recreational boating facilities, it is all new to them. All they know is copied from western books or magazines, the only boats they MAY have used would have been commercial fishing dories of bigger, but most of them do not know how to even step into a dinghy.

Give the fella a break and get him to a Tech asap.