Dealing with pirates

You will get a slapping you will. Navy divers my ARSE! These were REAL soldiers.

(This statement may not be true for any other country, but South Africa had real soldiers in a real war, and the Navy who drove around the sea protecting the country from 'foreign invaders', and marching around in their nice uniforms. The only issue was there was no enemy at sea, and there was no war on the countries boarders. The war was at the border of the next country north...

 

'Tricky I guess you know this South African Fishing Fleet personnally then? the South African Navy is and was a very competant Naval force capapble of more than dealing with a few armed guerillas - OK so the took part in a lot of ceramonial flag wagging but they were (still are?) capable of delivering the goods when required, believe you me buddy - they were probably trained by some guys who reside not to far from you! (and knowing how the system works probably still are but who's saying - not me, just guessing)

Other than that your pretty right in your reporting - one would hope you've been 'mister' for the required amount of time or it might be your wrist that get's the slapping! or would there be a 21 in the title? (whoops naughty me)

 

Now back to the REAL argument, following that short report from Poida I guess Jack best get his feather duster renewed or fluffed up a bit as it looks like there is a lot of activity in his area (now I wonder why? not 'cos Jack is there surely?) and when they get fed up of loosing they'll be looking at easier ways of 'bringing home the bacon'

'I know for whom the bell tolls Jack Frost, it tolls for thee'

Now don't do nothing rash there Jacky boy, just roll over and they'll tickle your belly (with a Kris) then you can play Santa give, give, give! We wouldn't want anything nasty to happen to our favourite sailor would we?

 

pirates

HI ....SAFEWALRUS a couple of questions if i may. what boat and type of armament you would have if you where going to encounter pirates?.............................................................................. and have you ever consider getting a group of boats well prepared and go pirate hunting .when the word would spread around they would be scared of hitting anybody never knowing if they where going to be faced with a pirate hunter...

 

Korvello

Interesting question, all depends on the local situation! Would need to be small to medium sized vessel (three or four) roughly close to the local fishing fleet - after all you don't want the locals (pirates) to become suspicous until you kick 'em in the teeth - But you do need to look attractive to have a go at if there's nothing better. But you need a fair turn of speed to chase and catch in a case of hot pursuit (or run if the buggers are bigger than you - there are times when flight is useful - with a frigate over the horizon!) An internal armoured citadel is also useful - proof against machine gun bullets at least! Armament - shotguns mainly, with machine carbines (submachine guns) as back up! a couple of rockets (tank busting type might be useful but probably not needed)! Experienced crew properly trained, marine engineer, boat driver (skipper) mission commander (military) he runs the 'guns' the skipper and the engineer run the boat! Half a dozen gunners! including specialist medic (not only for your own guys, come in handy to patch up broken pirates [grill for info]) And of course a good cook - essential!

And the answer to the other question is personal - what's the offer? (mercenary of course it's bloody mercenary you can get seriously hurt playing these kinda games!!)

Any help

the Walrus

 

I believe there is a history with the British of doing so. In the world war they armed some 'old' merchant ships, hidden armements, and submarines seeing a solo craft would surface to sink the ship with cannon, to save the expensive torpeedo. ( I think the 50 year secrecy laws have expired! )

These ships would then drop their hull plates to show a well armed ship, and the submarine would take a beating...




Personally I would love to be part of a group who could afford to put together an anti pirate ship, and go trolling in the wrong waters with a well armed crew below decks and a young family topside! Alas I dont have the money, but if there are investors out there............

 

This could get interesting..........

 

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Hi SW:...thanks for your sugestions but i was thinking more in a group of volunteers with specialy prepared boats that would cruise around the world and frequent the pirate holes and really set them up ..oh yes armored boats maybe specially built fot the trip with maybe a couple of high speed chase boats...yes a shot gun isfine for close range or small arms fire but you need 50 caliber to it them from afar and for close range a couple of flame throwers would be helpfull...and i think that there plenty of guys out there willing to do it it sure beats climbing everest....oh yes there are problems with legality of carring wheapons but with a little creativity you can carry a lot of firepower,from hidding it to leaving one boat behind in international waters when others go a shore and so on....what you think and why don't you start the movement ?.........any other sugestions?

 

Maybe we could ask jack frost if he would accomodate this band of civic minded volunteers, while they are operating in SE Asia?

 

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Good idea R ..maybe we could use them as bait they look an easy target,,,just kiddin......hey SW lost your voice or what? too much for you or you just getting ready..... you're the leader here . i'm waiting ,what you got to lose no matter if anyone is up to the challenge i'm buiding my boat to be able to repel an amateur pirate attack this thing about avoid this area and that one or travel by day or this or that is not for me you try to kill me i try to kill you ...some day with no one fighting back maybe we can all stay home it will be to dangerous leaving port...

 

I assume most of the pirate boats are prop jobs. If you can deploy or are trailing a couple of 1/2 inch black floating polypropline lines a couple of hundred yards long sooner or later you will be able to manover them under their boat and if they are attached to a breaking link such as a 1/4 inch line they WILL suck them up and the forward motion Will stop. I know it works.

 

http://www.mima.gov.my/mima/htmls/papers/pdf/sumathy/som-piracy.pdf

This report above along with the report from Brian Ieland has a striking consistency,--- No small yachts seem to be involved---at all. Small yachts however can not enjoy a similar piracy disinterest near Yemen.

 

Korvello

Yeah OK so you want some 50 cal. and this is great for long range! Unfortunately the majority of pirates do not fire on vessels until they are close in, they'd rather not fire at all of course - nothing to do with being nice, bullets cost money and the noise can give the game away to others, which could include the local Navy or Police. the other thing of course is the fact that if you start blazing away at long range just because he looks nasty will get you in big trouble with the local Police! Who are, we would hope on our side! the other problem with your idea is that your international vigilante group would be seen as another form of pirate, trying to muscle in on the locals soverignty! Whether you like it or not you need a degree of legitermy to carry out what you are proposing! The Idea is good but it is sometimes call a First world Navy (USN, RN, etc).

My view really is about transiting the area - short range weapons if anything should happen, operating in a group to act as a deterrant to try and prevent anything before it happens (but equally prepared to kick **** out of them, should they be misguided enough not to read the signs!) the Great Jack Frost [all hail to his wisdom and feather duster!] starts of with the right idea - he just does not have the werewithal to complete the process IF it all goes pear shaped.

Other than that I agree with him (that'll fcuk 'ee Jack)

 

Safe --Are you Ok? --are you drunk?

 

HI SW; I understand your concept and some of what you say make some sense,but there are some faults with what you say,,... i'm all for be armed and at short range resist boarding or fight back...the problem is that some of those guys are well armed and probably will outgun you and outrun you..my idea is for who ever gets atacked in the group latch down in a bullet safe specially built cockpit where you still control the boat and fire back with shot guns ,or granade launchers,flame thrower ...and wait for the 2 or 3 speed small boats are deployed with 50 caliber or better thatcan do let's say do 60 miles an hour and hit the ******** from far way to minimize risk ...i don't think that they will have anything faster than that...yeahh there a lot of ifs and excuses but if you waiting for anyones aproval good luck try the ONU for instance WHAT a joke and there will be problems but this is a job for brave men ...i don't know if you are up to the challenge it starts to apear that you're have more excuses than solutions i think JACK is getting to you ...anyone up to the challenge please let's form a exploratory group and start taking aplications..............regards K