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"California has a record--throughout the world--as being extremely tough on environmental issues--all automakers who sell here, for instance, must manufacture a specialized version of their cars, with higher pollution standards than anywhere else"

Most of this comes not from CA but from the LA Basin .

The new arrivals were warned by the abborigonies that the basin had "bad air" , and the locals would cross the basin as rapidly as they could.

This is documented in "Two Years Before the Mast" Richard Henry Dania written in the early 1800's.

Rather rediculous that a long KNOW rotten air area gets to DEMAND and SET the "clean air" requirements for the rest of thew world!

FAST FRED

 

The answer to many evils is clean electric power for desalinization and vehicles.

Nuke plants will be needed but totally clean coal as noted below is a good option. Way to go SASKPOWER show the US how to do it right!

Go here:
http://www.saskpower.com/aboutus/news/2006.shtml?06142006#

Or just read it here:

SaskPower has made the technology selection for its Clean Coal Project

SaskPower, Babcock & Wilcox Canada (B&W) and Air Liquide have come to an agreement to jointly develop carbon dioxide (CO2) separation technology as the core process for SaskPower's Clean Coal Project.

The technology, called Oxyfuel, nearly eliminates emissions of combustion by-products, including greenhouse gas emissions.

"The type of innovation displayed by all partners in this project is key to building a green and prosperous future for our province," Premier Lorne Calvert said. "This project will enhance the quality of life for all Saskatchewan residents. The environmental and economic implications of the project extend beyond our borders, to the national and international stages."

SaskPower is currently examining the feasibility of designing and implementing a 300-megawatt clean coal plant that would capture about 8,000 tonnes of CO2 a day. "This may be the world's first near zero emissions pulverized coal unit," Minister responsible for SaskPower John Nilson said. "This unit would help meet emerging regulatory requirements while adding much needed baseload generating capacity while effectively using our 300-year supply of low-cost lignite coal."

"Developing partnerships will be key to the success of our Clean Coal Project," SaskPower president and CEO Pat Youzwa said. "The agreements with B&W and Air Liquide build on the design supply partnership with B&W announced earlier, and with Marubeni Canada and Hitachi for the turbine generator set - which are considered the basic building blocks for a thermal generating station."

"We are very pleased to be working on this SaskPower-led coalition, in which collaboration, cooperation and commitment are the guiding principles," Babcock & Wilcox Company vice president and chief technology officer Don Langley said.

"Addressing climate change means preventing the release of CO2 emissions into the atmosphere by coal-fired power plants," Air Liquide Group executive vice president Pierre Dufour said. "SaskPower is to be commended for having the vision and will to show the way."

B&W serves North American electric utility and industrial markets and the global nuclear utility market, with manufacturing facilities in Mellville and Cambridge, Ontario. More information on the Babcock & Wilcox Company is available at www.babcock.com.

Present in 72 countries, Air Liquide is the world leader in industrial and medical gases and related services. The Group offers innovative solutions based on constantly enhanced technologies.

SaskPower is the principal supplier of electricity in Saskatchewan, serving more than 441,000 customers. The Corporation operates with a total available capacity of approximately 3,655 megawatts, supplying customers through more than 154,000 kilometres of transmission and distribution lines. The focus of recent additions to our system is on environmentally sustainable and renewable energy sources.

SaskPower, Air Liquide, Babcock & Wilcox Canada media fact sheet

For more information, contact:
Larry Christie,
SaskPower
Phone: (306) 566-3167 (Regina)
Cell: (306) 536-2886

 

I have also seen about this system of transprting fresh water... and it might be a viable to use a kite or kites to move it. I relize I am 7 pages into the post and this might have been said already... But instead of using a "tug" as a transition point, why don't you just directly hook to the freshwater bag.

Use multiple attachment points that will universly distribute the load over most... if not all of the bag. and throw on a pilot house. I would be willing to make a quick sketch.. but I am about to head out for supper. If you want to see what I am talking about... just let me know and I will sketch something up.

 

Sorry if someone has posted this already, and not to be smartass, but there are things called desalinization plants that work pretty good already in place in desert areas, and there is a machine that is used by the army called a "water generator" that makes water from air, they are using it in Iraq as we speak. Hauling water with a tugboat and a high-tech Camelbak across the ocean doesn't seem too economical. it will never fly, as they say.

 

our young lad here is onto something maybe the kite thing is too much ,,but I pay 1dollar us fora bottle of water ,,a novelty of melted iceburgs ,with iceage ice,,..I saw one company doing this along time ago,but taking all the ice away would ruffle too many feathers,,,longliner

 

Politics: We have a few thousand refugees from Chile here in Norway, they seem to be the nice guys

Topic:
On the west coast of Norway you can get as much water you want, it's clean, fresh and cold, its' even filtered before it goes into the turbines

It has been tried to transport this water with very large bags, some hundred tonnes was the plan, and with old tankers. I am sure this would have been done as a regular business if it made economical sense.

Desalination in the Med costs 1 Euro per ton(?).
So how much can you pay for transportation?

Desalination is also getting more and more efficient, with better use of the return pressure (Norwegian patent) and with power from wind generators.

 

I must have missed the part where someone suggested the idea of hauling "icebergs" from Alaska to California. Surely they meant "glacier ice" or glacier water, or maybe just water from a river. For one thing, icebergs are saltwater, for another thing, why would anyone want to haul ice anyway? if people are really thirsty, they will drink warm water too. This has to be the silliest forum discussion I have ever been involved in. Just try running off with part of a glacier up here, you might as well go steal trees from the governors mansion.

 

They problem isn't about drinking warm water... it is about some places having a major shortage of water. There is simply not enough fresh drinkable water in some parts of the world. But there is excess amounts ine most of Canada and Alaska.

The problem is trying to get this water to people that need it.

 

I don't think iceburgs are made of salt water. They come from glaciers and glaciers are made from packed snow and I don't think snowflakes are salty. As to glacier ownership, that might become very important in the future. 30 years ago, all the state and provencial govts surrounding the Great Lakes organized and signed an agreement claiming the water to prevent places like the Southwest from putting in a pipeline and draining the lakes. Here in Georgia, businesses and cities and environmentalists are starting to fight over the murky stuff in the rivers. As the millenia old freshwater gets drawn out from wells, more and more saltwater gets drawn in and pollutes the underground aquafiers. Sam

 

Most of the glaciers in Southcentral Alaska have receded to such a degree that they don't overhang into the ocean anymore, some still do of course, but when they calve off down there they melt pretty quickly because of the warmer waters, unlike the icebergs in the Bering Sea and Arctic Ocean, which are formed by the sea ice piling up from wave action into huge bergs or iceforms, whatever, these can get huge actually, and last for some time up there. But you are right, what most people consider icebergs aren't saltwater. I don't think hauling water across the ocean or even piping it across the country will solve problems in the long run.

 

Universal Communication Systems, Inc. Subsidiary AirWater Corporation Announces the Development of the New AW-2000M, a Larger Mobile Air to Water Generator for Delivery to Southern Africa


Monday May 22,10:36 am ET


In Addition, AirWater Is to Ship Upgraded Version of the AW-1000M to Thailand



MIAMI BEACH, FL--(MARKET WIRE)--May 22, 2006 -- Universal Communication Systems, Inc. wholly owned Subsidiary AirWater Corporation company president Michael Zwebner today announced the development of a new AW-2000M, a larger Mobile Air to Water Generator capable of producing between 2000-3000 liters daily of clean, clear and purified drinking water for delivery to the authorities in Southern Africa. In addition, AirWater is to ship an upgraded version of the AW-1000M to Thailand for presentation and evaluation by the Thai Army and other Official bodies.

Mr. Michael Zwebner stated: "Following the successful delivery of the company''s first AW-1000M Mobile Water Generator to the Indian Army in Mumbai recently for field tests, we have received serious interest from authorities in countries around the world. Our local agents and distributors in Southern Africa and Thailand will be demonstrating and delivering these unique machines to the Army for Military evaluation."



AirWater Corporation manufactures a wide range of air to water machines and is currently selling different models in more than 24 countries.



PRESS COVERAGE IN INDIA



The company has received very good press coverage in India following the International Air Water Conference, and the delivery of the AW 1000M to the Indian Army for tests and evaluation. Attached are some of the Press Snippets.



About Universal Communication Systems, Inc.:
Universal Communication Systems, Inc. is a publicly quoted US Company with operating subsidiaries concentrating on operations in the field of Water from Air extraction, Manufacture of and provision of PV Solar Energy, Solar powered consumer electronic products, and security products. For further information, visit our web address: http://www.ucsy.com



About Atmospheric Water Technologies Inc. and Watermaker India (Pvt) Limited:
For further information on our Licensee, visit our web address: http://www.watermakerindia.com



About Air Water Corporation:
For further information, visit our web address: http://www.airwatercorp.com

This is just one of many companies that are working on air to water generators, I think it is just a matter of building one big enough to supply the needs of an entire city. The army uses one that fits in the bed of a standard pickup and makes 2800 gallons of water a day, which is 116 gallons per hour or almost 2 gallons a minute. I know that won't come close to supplying Bombay (yes, I know it's not Bombay anymore, but I can't remember the new name) or any other big city, but I think it is a better direction to look to than hauling water in tankers or plastic bags.

 

Hola Jason,

No he' recibido nada. Creo que me tienen aislado. De que se trata?

Diego

 

Well, I had asked if you knew of any lumber suppliers in Santiago. HomeCenter isn't exactly the best place to find hardwoods like Oak, Maple or Mohagany and my girlfriend knows nothing about thinks like this. Can you e-mail me at roeslerjd@hotmail.com