Global Warming? are humans to blame?

actually it is flat... mmm... my map actually

 

One need not delve so far into the historical past to find cases where the true scientific knowledge of a thing was only understood by those holding the minority opinion. Just before the turn of the 20th century, scientists concluded that heavier-than-air flight was impossible. In the 1920's most scientists believed that the atom was the smallest constituent particle of matter and was indivisible. During the 1930's and 40's, most aerodynamicists believe it impossible for an aircraft to fly faster than the speed of sound.

Yet the majority have always stated their opinion as if it were fact and derided those holding the minority opinion.

Guys, science does not happen in a vacuum! It is part of a social fabric and as such, it is subject to all the wrinkles and tears and other faults in that fabric.

Jimbo

 

well said

 

Has anyone ever thought that the average 'feeble minded person' inundated with non stop verbale garbage thinks " your story has touched my heart with its tale of gloom and despondance and the fact that we're all going to die; now go tell somebody who gives a damn!"

Or, gentlemen to put it another way, "this is too big for me and anyway will not apparantly happen for another thousand years so will not affect me or my children or their children or even their children; I have more important things to worry about - like do I have another beer or shall I spend the money on food for the wife and kids"

So all you high thinkers enjoy your ivory towers, and you can worry for us! the rest of us will just get on with living, thank you"!

 

A preface: I cant spell worth a damn, I have a BS in Math and Physics and a Masters in Education and Astronomy. But none of those degrees contained a spelling class and spelling is neither intuitive nor logical, both qualities needed to be a scientist. If that will bother you, delete this now.

Now in to the fray.

Intresting that in a very early post someone suggested that more and worse hurricanes were caused by global warming. Are we now headed, by evidence that not one hurricane hit the US coast this year, into a new ice age?

It is well known that just 800 years ago we went thru a mini ice age with people ice skating on the Thames in London during the now defunct "Winter Fair" and that Vinland had grapes growing where there is now snow not too many years ago.

The Ozone Hole (another well known myth of the anti industrialization loby) was discovered around the turn of the last century BEFORE the industrilazation of the human race so it cant be blamed on freon.

I think anyone who thinks man is responsible for global warming is like the flea climbing the elephants leg with **** in mind, very egotistical. Man is puny compared to things like volcanoes. Pinetubo (sp?) in the Phillipines raised the global temperature by 2 degrees just a few years ago. There have been many volcanoes in the past 4000 years that have raised the global temperature by much more than that.

Not two months ago I was sailing my GS 36 from Tampa to Corpus Christi and in Pensacola Beach FL I was berthed behind an 80+ foot Mega yacht. The owner came to my boat and wanted to look around. I was flattered. While sitting in my cockpit we got into a discussion of global warming....turns out he was a big shot in Air America (Al Gores radio station) and he dissagreed with me. I observed that his riding around in a mega yacht that used 120 gallon per hour of fosil fuel (his own numbers) was somewhat hypocritical and suggested that we should swap yachts since mine only needed 0.5 gallons per hour. Needless to say, he is still riding around in his Mega Yacht and I in my GS 36.

Maybe the reason for the weak hurricane season is that after inventing the internet and now weary of the bankruptsy of Air America Al Gore is just to tired to press on with his global warming plan.

 

Both forest fires and volcanic events are natural phenomena that 'globalwarmingists' tend to downplay in their modeling and forecasts. They try to belittle the climatological importance of these events since these do not support their case (cause?). Ditto for solar radiative energy variations, which we now know are very significant and with effects that are subtle and complex and play out over decades of years.

jimisbell:

I'm impressed! So few people know that the 'hole' in the ozone layer was actually predicted before it was ever observed-more than a half century before the first halons were synthesized in a lab. Not that the info has been kept secret. It's just that so few people bother to research anything on their own. Instead they just listen to the pundits that thay agree with and essentally TRUST them to be honest, which of course, they are not.

As a blatant example of how balderdash gets repeated as a mantra in the pop press, then 'acted on' by 'well meaning' legilators, take a look at the case against so called 'second hand' tobacco smoke. Now most people will tell you that a government study PROVED that it is harmful. Do you all realize that that very study proved NOTHING OF THE SORT! It in fact showed a 23% increase in tumors in the non-smokers but with a 25% statistical margin for error!. This means that the study showed no statistical difference between the test and control groups. But the non-smoking zealots are not out to educate you but to get laws changed. They know most people know $hit about statistics, so they tell you that this result is meaninful, which of course it is not. Now i'm not, nor ever have been a smoker myself, so I don't have a dog in that fight on the surface. It's just reall outrageous that this knd of garbage is passed around as good science when what is really is is JUNK SCIENCE.

Have you noticed that the anti-industrial types seem to display a certain glee that they have been able to raise the spectre of global warming? After all, cars don't spew TEL (or even MMT) anymore; only CO2 and water. You can't even kill yourself in the garage with a modern car The air in US cities is cleaner than it has been since the turn of the LAST century. And we did not have to give up everything and go back to the stoneage to clean it up, as these people had once predicted. We drive more cars than ever, in fact. So they had to make a demon out of one of the two benign by-products of modern clean combustion, and it sure wasn't going to be water vapor

But it is only a spectre, based on fearmongering political motives, not objective science. I for one, do not believe in ghosts anymore.

Jimbo

 

Global warming is an English plot to have us all drinking warm beer. I know it for a fact. I’m here to report that I dated that girl in college and if I recall correctly it was a few too many globally warmed English pints that gave me the courage to crawl up her wrinkly, swollen thighs, not me ego.

Lads its “one if by day and two if by night!” for us cold beer loving tail gate party fans. Or is that to? Or too? There go those blasted English again, giving us a language that only they can figure out. That’s it, I’m going to go open my refrigerator and cool this place off!

 

Problem solved!

The answer to the "global warming" problem of more hurricanes is simple... from reading the Sunday supplement articles on chaos theory I now understand that they are caused by butterfly wing flapping ... what should I see on Discovery channel but millions of Monarch butterflies migrating to Mexico, just where so many hurricanes start! Never mind Al Gore, do it the Bush way and nuke those Mexican butterflies before they cause any more!! Amazing how the answers are out there for anyone to see!

 

You all should check your facts before posting.
Or at the very least back them up with at least one semi-credible reference.

Pinatubo raised global temps?

http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/climate_effects.html

I can smoke a cigar and raise global temps. Its very easy to change things. The real question of interest concerns the degree of change likely to occur by mans activities and whether that change will influence our environment in any significant way.

 

You are right, that should have been LOWERED. But the point was not which way it went, but that it changed the temp by 2 degrees which is MORE than golbal warming theorists are screaming about. The direction is immaterial, its the fact that MEN are so puny that Volcanoes make them look like mice.

 

Just in case you were refering to the "2 degrees", I looked at your reference (which by the way didnt even include the largest eruption in history, 200 times the size of Krakatau, the island of Santorini in the Mediteranian sea) so their research is suspect depending upon when you think "History" begins, but it did state that the drop for Pinatubo was 1 degree centigrade or 1.8 degrees F (we dont use Centigrade in the US)...OK, OK, I missed it by 0.2 degrees. I think that is close enough for government work. I rounded it off.

 

Rounded it off did you?


"The direction is immaterial, its the fact that MEN are so puny that Volcanoes make them look like mice."

I assume you mean to say that volcanism contributes more co2 to the atmosphere than human activity.

Try supporting this claim by valid reference.


BTW
Don't present aurguments like this if you believe the direction is not relevent:
"Man is puny compared to things like volcanoes. Pinetubo (sp?) in the Phillipines raised the global temperature by 2 degrees just a few years ago. There have been many volcanoes in the past 4000 years that have raised the global temperature by much more than that."

 

I dont call your arguments Gibberish or Nonsense so I am assuming that your resort to name calling means you have run out of reasonable arguments?

But I will honor you with one more response. Did I say volcanoes made more CO2 than man? I dont see it as I look back at my posts. I said men were puny and that volcanoes had a greater effect on global temperatures that man did. Go back and read what I said and see if that isnt what I said.

CO2 supposedly raises temperatures while SO2 lowers temperatures. Read up on your science before you attack a scientist.

 

Fair enough.

I have retracted the bad bits.

"I think anyone who thinks man is responsible for global warming is like the flea climbing the elephants leg with **** in mind, very egotistical. Man is puny compared to things like volcanoes. Pinetubo (sp?) in the Phillipines raised the global temperature by 2 degrees just a few years ago. There have been many volcanoes in the past 4000 years that have raised the global temperature by much more than that."

This has no scientific basis

 

When you post like this don't try to say its science.