Buccaneer 24 Builders Forum

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by oldsailor7, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. buzzman
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    buzzman Senior Member

    Just a quick question of someone with a set of the B24 plans could answer ---- what was the size of the ally tube used for the beams in the B24? I think they were tube, not a profile extrusion?

    I just looked at the plans for the B28 and that's 140mm by 4.7mm (outside/thickness).

    Is the B24 the same or smaller? thinner?

    Please advise....
     
  2. oldmulti
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    Multihull Structure Thoughts tread Page 39 has the Buccaneer 24 plans in PDF format (with a material list) and some Buccaneer 24 variations of crossbeams etc. Hope it helps.
     
  3. buzzman
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    Cheers, that's great. The tube for the B24 is a bit smaller - 120mm by 2.6mm thickness.
    Thanks OM, legend as always... :)
     
  4. fgiccu
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    Hi all in this thread. Random post here if anyone still on this thread, but after recent passing of my father, I have a buccaneer 24 he built which I am looking to get rid of. It's a beautiful boat that he finished in 1995 and only sailed it on the West coast of Scotland until 2000. I helped him build it when I was a boy and have all spec and details. It's a cracker and he really went to town on it in the end, upgrading rigging to a Nick Barlow carbon fibre rotating wing mast and fully batoned sails. Ply hull sheathed in fibreglass and professionally sprayed.All Harken and Frederickson deck gear with a self tacking roller jib, autohelm everything and properly specced up to the max - used to cause many a family argument with the amount of money he spent on it..... It has been kept in a garage under storage since 2000 when he took it out of water when I got married and he didn't really feel confident sailing it without me there as it was so fast - remember clocking 19 knots on it in the clyde when we kept it at Inverkip marina! Really don't know what to do with as I have no interest in sailing now, but this boat is part and parcel of my life and I would like it to go to someone who would appreciate it! I could probably give you all plenty of building advice as I spent so much of my childhood building it! Anyone with interest or advice, get in touch
     

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  5. redreuben
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    It would be nice if you could do a bit better with the photos.
     
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  6. Russell Brown
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    I'd be interested, but I'm far far away.
     
  7. fgiccu
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    Sorry Redreuben for my poor showing with photos….. As said, just sifting through my dads stuff after he died and not sure anyone still on this thread..
    Few attached from me as a youngster when he started it to boat launch in mid 90s. I’m now in my 40s and boat has been in a dry garage out of sunlight since 2001! I have all the original plans as well plus the Crowther agreed Nick Barlow wingmast design which was purpose built for boat. If anyone else interested, I’ll try my best to post a few more better shots of various stages of the construction.
     

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  8. fgiccu
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    Hi Russell. We’re based near Edinburgh in Scotland if you change your mind or know anyone that may be interested. Fraser
     
  9. SolGato
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    That looks like a well built and outfitted boat.

    Hopefully you can find a good home for it and it gets sailed and enjoyed.

    The lines of the cabin/deck are very similar to my Tri.

    One thing I noticed from the photos is that the rigging is external on the new mast, exiting and running out to blocks then making their way back to the cockpit, versus remaining internal and exiting that open slot in the base of the mast with the blocks located just below like new rotating mast setups in order not to hamper rotation.

    I’ve been considering doing something similar (running off and out to blocks) as I have no open slot in my mast and sail single hand, but worry about hampering rotation.

    I’ve seen other examples of boats setup and modified like this (mostly MacGreggors), and owners claim the halyards and control lines don’t have much negative affect on rotation based on before and after performance.

    Maybe I’m missing something, but are lines like the main and jib halyard locked off at the mast, or back at the cockpit?

    No big deal if you aren’t sure, just curious since obviously a lot of effort was put into upgrading the rig.

    Thanks and best of luck with rehoming!
     
  10. bruceb
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    That 24 will be a GREAT! garage find for somebody. Its hard to tell how big the rig is but I am sure it is plenty for cruising around Scotland. It should make a nice day sailor or pocket cruiser, it will out run most any sailboats under 35' and still be able to sit level on it's own bottom when the tide goes out. With it's construction it will last a long time with just modest upkeep. It looks like it has a good trailer so it can be anywhere in northern Europe in a few days. Someone needs to give it a new home. If any potential buyers need some info, point them to this forum, there is a lot of info available. Good luck selling it.
    Bruce
     
  11. bruceb
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    SolGato, I expect that mast has internal bulkheads that prevent using internal halyards, but it looks like a really nice mast anyway. If you have an alloy mast, you can slot it with no issues. Depending on how your halyards are routed at the base your rotation shouldn't be very resticted, I just move my main sheet lead a little farther aft on the boom and then use a one line rotation limiter from the boom to a yoke on the mast. If you don't need the halyards led aft, by cleating the halyards on the mast all loads are only on the mast. I exited mine fairly far up the mast so my flexing loads are not too high anyway and it allows a crew to help "jump" the main and spinnaker halyards at the mast to help get them up faster
    Bruce
     
  12. fgiccu
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    Hi. Yes it’s a well finished boat and he made a good job of it. The rotating mast works really well and Dad designed it so that everything could really be controlled from cockpit. The jib is harken furling system on a self tacking track and is again controlled and locked off from the cockpit. It has a retracting spinnaker pole, again controlled in cockpit. He never really liked the thought of having someone up front on the narrow bow. If you know of anyone that may be interested, let me know as would like to see it going somewhere where it is appreciated, it’s not really about the money.
     
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  13. SolGato
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    Thanks Bruce. My mast has internal halyards exiting along the base that run through cam cleats to winches, so everything is setup for locking off at the mast.

    I’m looking to lead everything back to the cockpit and only have the main and jib halyards left to deal with.

    I had been searching for a way to remotely trigger clutching from the cockpit and considered constrictors but worry about their durability in my climate.

    Instead, I got my hands on a pair of Harken Trigger cleats and after studying how they work, believe I can use them in place of the standard 150 cam cleats in conjunction with a pivoting turn block mounted of the base of the mast to lead the lines off the base and out to my T-tracks to blocks and back to cockpit.

    That way I can raise and lower the sails from the cockpit with them still locked off at the mast and the rest of the line left free for full rotation.

    I won’t be able to dump the sail fast, but that can be done easily from the mast if need be. The less I have to leave the cockpit and helm to deal with the rig, the better.

    Now I haven’t seen anyone else do this, but it looks like it should work provided I get the pull angle on the Trigger cleats set right.

    If it doesn’t work well, I’ll look at fabricating a base ring around the mast step to attach turn block to in an effort to keep the pull angles inline with the mast and the loads concentrated at the main bulkhead.
     
  14. SolGato
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    Thanks for the info.

    You might consider looking into whether the boat on trailer will fit in a standard shipping container incase anyone is interested from afar.

    Mine on trailer is a little too wide, but your boat looks like it might be a bit narrower as the hulls don’t stick out as far in their cradles.

    If the whole thing can roll easily enough into a standard 40’ container, that might be an option someone might want to investigate.

    Shipping is extremely costly these days, but if your willing to work with someone on price in order to find a good home, it might be a worthwhile option.
     

  15. Russell Brown
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    Hopefully you aren't in too big a hurry. That boat will be someone's treasure. I would be interested if you were closer.
     
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