Is the ocean broken?

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  1. Yobarnacle
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    Climate change also played a role, although it was “outperformed” in the Atlantic basin specifically by aerosols and volcanoes.

    Maybe climate change played such a tiny role it can't be given a number?
     
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    Frost heave is a very old phenomenon ad anyone who has cleared a New England field in the springtime can attest. Freezing water turns mountains into boulders and boulders into rocks, then rocks into pebbles. Gravity does the rest. Global watming has nothing to do with it. GIGO.
     
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    Do we need to define 'Climate', assuming we understand the meaning of. 'Change'.

    In this sense, we are talking about change being long term, consistent variations. 'Consistent variations' means: Variations from the measured historical norm that persists over time, either resulting in a new 'norm' or following a definable, but continuing trend.

    I won't venture to offer a definition of climate. I'll leave that to others.

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    No one is disputing that the climate has, is and will change. The dispute is over the blaming of one's fellow man for said change.
     
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    The argument assumed by AGWer to be settled and is far from it is CO2 causes climate change and the premise is ridiculous.
     
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    For frost to heave out rocks requires many alternating freeze/thaw cycles. Permafrost, as its name implies, is "permanent." There is no freeze/thaw cycle. What's changing with Global Warming is that many areas that long have been stabilized by "permanent" permafrost, are no longer permanently frozen, but are thawing and thus becoming unstable.

    Like you so aptly said, GIGO.
     
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    Steep decline in giant sea turtles seen off US West Coast
    • Certain leatherbacks hatched in Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu and the Solomon Islands are migrating across the Pacific Ocean to the cold waters off the U.S. West Coast, where they gorged on jellyfish before swimming back.
    • In less than 30 years, the number of western Pacific leatherbacks in the foraging population off of California have plummeted 80%
    • Their demise is caused by indiscriminate international fishing, the decimation of nesting grounds and climate change
    • NOAA launched an aggressive initiative to save them in 2015 and will release an updated action plan this month
    • California is phasing out drift gill net fishery, and the long-line swordfish fleet in HI and CA must shut down if they accidentally catch more than 16 leatherbacks fleet-wide in a season
    • Leatherbacks in the eastern Pacific, which nest in Mexico and Costa Rica, are also experiencing a population crash from a sharp reduction in nesting beaches
     
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    Nothing is permanent.
     
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    politicians craving power is pretty permanent, Hoyt!
     
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    Nope. Even they will end.
     
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    Halting the Vast Release of Methane Is Critical for Climate, U.N. Says
    • Both carbon dioxide and methane reached record highs last year, even as the coronavirus pandemic slowed much of the global economy
    • Furthermore, releases of methane from oil and gas production is larger than earlier estimates
    • The fossil fuel industry has the greatest potential to cut methane emissions at little or no cost.
    • Unless there is significant deployment of unproven technologies capable of pulling greenhouse gases out of the air, expanding the use of natural gas is incompatible with keeping global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius, a goal of the international Paris Agreement
     
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    What are you saying Hoyte? Are you suggesting that the planet would be better off if we humans left? Are you suggesting that it is humanity that is to blame for Climate Change?

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     
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    Human constructions/buildings are affecting the earth's rotation.. | Naked Science Forum https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=39947.0
    "...human structures, mainly high rise building, dams, landfills, and sea reclamation areas (also includes, mineral and oil mining) are affecting the earth's rotation (or wobble) on its axis, due to their weight, being concentrated in one area makes the earth wobble. therefore they are also main contributors, to changing climates, earthquakes and other, natural phenomena."

    I especially like the experiment that proves this idea. Very scientific.

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    No.
     
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