Is the ocean broken?

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  1. Yobarnacle
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    Blinker the sun? I bet some fool politician will vote to pay for such a study with OUR money! Unnecessary.. The atmosphere has natural shutters, no need to devise a planet-sized pair of Raybans. Just trigger a volcano somewhere whenever you want to dim the sun and cool things back down.
    I provided the solution so pass over the dough!
     
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    Of course they do. I could do it for only two thirds of the price.

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    Are Renewable Powered Ships Possible?



    This is an interesting "mainstream" youtube video. Not made by an expert and probably contains inaccuracies and is meant for laymen not marine architects. But I'd be curious what is the most promising technology to get shipping to zero emissions. Those new ultrasafe modular nuclear reactors?
     
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    Green investing 'is definitely not going to work’, says ex-BlackRock executive

    This is the best mainstream article I've seen to argue against that "bright green environmentalism" that believes free market and infinite GDP growth can solve the climate crisis. There is a similar article in the independent.
     
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    Carbon tax? How about making carbon filtration systems mandatory with steep fines, like OSHA safety regulations? What industry does a tax help? Provide for a demand to a product like smokestack filters and a whole new industry in environmental safety begins to flourish.

    The for-profit sector will only suffer in the short term because they will equalize prices to wages and cost of operations on a relative scale to their competitors as well as the alternative investment opportunities that they choose not to pursue.

    Taxation of that sort will only result in inflation with corporations choosing to pay the extra tax as part of the cost of doing business, then pass that cost along to the customer. I think the guy in that article is exactly right about the nature of the free-market, but he doesn't see the big picture of economics. Government needs to be involved, but not through taxation or meaningless financial penalties. Actual action and equipment needs to be outlined and enforced.

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    Yeah I agree especially if everyone has the same costs in manufacturing goods and services then in many industries you could just raise prices and not improve. Or they find some loophole and shenanigans like they do with biomass energy.

    But regulations are tricky too. You'd need a regulatory agency that has a huge team of engineers and scientists that can work with industries and set or update regulations as new technologies come online or fund R&D or wave patent rights on required technology. It's a massive departure of how we do business, so unlikely to happen.

    Even the semi-planned economy of China who have 5 year economic plans struggles with becoming carbon neutral in 2060.
     
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    I dislike all bureaucrats and regulatory agents. It's inevitable they become arrogant, and abusive of their powers like the EPA was before Trump cleaned house.
     
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    That is not a zen move.
    Masterminds are not nearly as smart as they think they are.
     
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    For "equipment to be outlined", the government has to choose which equipment. Then companies will install that equipment, and not any other, because that is what was required. However, if a carbon tax is imposed, then companies will select whichever equipment is cheapest and still reduces their carbon footprint. Innovators will try to come up with more economical and effective methods.

    The capitalist system at work, nudged by government direction and incentives.

    Of the people; by the people; for the people. :)
     
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    Apparently, you don't know the real story of Admiral Bligh's early career and his intelligence, humanity, and heroism, You probably admire the syphilitic ner-do-well disastrous mutineer Fletcher Christian.. Hollywood painted him the underdog and you believe Hollywood?

    You probably are unaware how the EPA was off the rails, off the reservation, out of bounds, when Trumps appointed director forced them back to their mandated mission. Many quit when they were denied rogue sheriff status they were acustomed to! Good riddance.
     
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    Yup. All I've seen is the Hollywood version, and that's what I am tweaking your nose with. I don't really care what the real-life Bligh was like, because I am trying to make a point about your broad-brush painting of "bureaucrats and regulatory agents."
     
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    Ultimately, any executive department's focus is what POTUS decides it is.

    Bush had his focus. Obama had his focus. Trump had his focus. And now Biden has his focus.

    If you don't like it, in a few short years you can again cast your vote for the executive of your choice.

    Of the people; by the people; for the people.
     
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    Restricted and Constitutional limited government, Of the people; by the people; for the people, Only the States can modify the Constitution.
     

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    I'll be glad when the rightful people return to represent the true majority.
     
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