How About No More Electric Boats?

"Create Energy"!!??

 

You should read the articles before posting. The radiation intensity on those test was 100 to 500 times of that in the inside of a microwave oven. Your "green" proposal would sterilize the planet.

 

Past and Existing Nuclear weapons have had the potential to "sterilize" the planet, for some time. We've had lessons from the nuclear bombs, Chernobyl, and other accidents, and no good plan for super toxic nuclear waste which lasts up to millions of years. Nuclear may be a worldwide financial, health, and ecological disaster, at some point of reckoning. One would have to think that the new comparably benign Technologies would be under extraordinary scrutiny, as a result of the nuclear experience. JMHO.

 

You should read the article too. It is about power transmission using microwave radiation. The intensity of the radiation in the test was 100 to 500 times that of the inside of a microwave oven. This is not about waste, toxic or otherwise, but about lethal doses of radiation that no living thing can survive. Yours and Will's plan to cover the planet with lethal radiation seems like the opposite of the "green" plan.

 

Just so you know, I think you are one of the brightest and professionally educated guys on this forum, thanks for all the helpful things that you post!

Myself did not write any endorsement of any of those Technologies or about any green plan.

Myself is not a great fan of microwave power transmission for obvious reasons you point out, but that doesn't mean there won't be something additional of limited use that might eventually come from that technology, besides existing microwave Towers. I didn't read anything where the microwave radiation would be broadcast 24/7 like radio or from space sources in all directions, blanketing and thus sterilizing the Earth with radiation at 500 times the level of a microwave oven. How would it even be possible to do that? As far as I know microwave power Transmissions are point to point, with extreme hazards to anything that crosses along that path way, unless I'm overlooking something?

Ps: Energy is neither created nor destroyed as you point out, first law of thermodynamics. I have come to expect errors like that in postings outside of peer-reviewed journals, sometimes written by authors with no science education.

 

The experiment that transmitted power used high intensity microwaves. I think that in outer space, where there is no interference and diffusion from the air, it may be viable. I think we are at the end of an era and human society will have to adapt. These are the final years of the age of exploration, conquest and unlimited growth. I don't know what the alternatives will be, but the change is inevitable. We can't go harvest old growth mahogany and build boats any more, because they were already cut down. If we used solar energy to maintain our present standard and way of living, there would be no solar energy to grow crops. Covering large parts of the Earth with wind turbines will generate climate changes too. We reached the point where the resources no longer seem unlimited.

 

As portacruise said, no plan was promoted. My post was to show what technological exploration shows as potential and possible. If the article I posted only informed you of the dangers in electro-magnetic radiation power transmission and nothing about the possibilities it holds if further study and development were to be pursued, then I apologize for my assumption that you would get the same thing out of reading that article that I did. I also had said, "We are not there yet, but..." so I was hoping some optimism about what the future might hold for scientific pursuits in the areas of electro-motive power might be generated.

Battery technology is advancing slowly but surely. However, maybe there are ways around carrying heavy and dangerously non-green batteries while still benefiting from electric power. Maglev trains don't carry their own power supply, they generate their motive force by moving across a track of induction coils. Power is supplied through the track, once the train is moving. Saltwater has an interesting property of combining H2O and NaCl causing the outer electrons in the hydrogen and the chlorine to loosen their bonds. Could some form of induction be created by moving across or through the saltwater medium with the right hull properties? I'm thinking, after reading some of these articles, the idea might be worth looking at. No plan for implementation, only exploration. We certainly are not at the end of our unexplored frontiers.

 

Horses.
Horses for courses.
Different horses for different courses.
Different boats for different moats.
What works in Friesland, Wisconsin, USA is different than what works in Friesland, NL.
"Green" has become a religion.
Any religion that is forced on people is bad. VERY bad!
History has helped me become wise enough to not force my religion on others and current events continually reinforce that.
"Green", as fluid and gaseous(un-defined) as it is, is being forced by its Church's learned and aristocrats who are being heavily influenced by today's version of the dukes of centuries ago.

Force begets force, ja?


Yeah, I'm in a "weird place", kinda, right now but maybe it'll help spur thought and understanding. Or not.

 

I don't see the point of getting into the various "green" discussions in this thread but I don't have anything against electric boats per se. There are good applications and bad. I don't take anyone seriously who has a position on the subject that isn't highly nuanced. If you think "green" agendas are "good" or "bad" I probably won't listen to you.

 

.".and the biggest difference is the amount of taxes paid."

That and not being able to strip the ground and sell it because it is now depleted of carbon and old growth.,Over here when we started paying less tax it became more difficult to live on one income. Things were privatised. Double incomes in each family doubled demand in some ways. But the greatest impact has been the political focus on the economy rather than people,.. and the success of marketing that drives consumption,
telling us you need more bigger better to be happy.. or if you like more selfish and greedier..

Early last century we had a law that any company with more than 100 employees had to pay a weekly income that supported a family of 4 kids.
[Harvester judgement and the minimum wage 1907]
"green" by definition is using less, a smaller carbon footprint.

 

I think Gonzo is correct in pointing out that there will likely be far less energy available under the new energy regime than under the old one.

We will no longer be able to use huge amounts of energy for little more than convenience and ego gratification. We may have to make do with less convenience, and find our ego gratification elsewhere.

For me, I get some from learning how to take a shower with less than 1/2 gallon of water, with no fancy, specialized equipment. I use the closer, more expensive grocery store, so I can avoid driving my 2 ton (vehical wt) truck. A bicycle with a milk-crate on the handle bars takes care of that load.

Staying reasonably cool on a hot summer day has proven to be a greater challenge. I basically use a wet T-shirt and stay in front of a fan. Cooling the 12 by 40 ft box I live in will prove way too expensive.

Transportation, however, has me stumped. I am no longer in good enough shape to bicycle the 16 miles I live from my job. And I have to get there in even the shitiest weather. I don't make enough money to afford smaller, more disposable cars, so I keep my 1998 truck going, even though it does use a shameful amount of gas. A bus trip to work requires use of two bus companies, and will take at least two hours each way. Yeah, I'm as guilty as anyone else when it comes to using a lot of energy for convenience.

 

You can use an Electric bike to get you to and from work when the weather is decent, that's what I did for a 14 mile trip to and from work for a couple of years before I retired. Our buses had a space for 2 bikes on a rack I could use, and I didn't have to worry about a loss or delay of either connection as I could do the partial or whole thing by bike if it became necessary. This was many years ago, before ebikes became really popular, so I had storage and power plug access at work. The bike looked like a homemade piece of junk for running in stealth mode, and I had a bicycle lock, but nobody ever bothered it. Nowadays they even have fat tire bikes which will handle some degree of bad weather, if you want to dress for it.

 

We are getting to where the energy farmer may surpass the ag farmer for subsidizing non-production.

"The U.S. farm program pays subsidies to farmers not to grow crops in environmentally sensitive areas and makes payments to farmers based on what they have grown historically, even though they may no longer grow that crop. Of more relevance, several transportation programs exist that do pay people not to travel at peak periods or not to use a single occupancy car."
They Pay Farmers Not to Grow Crops, Don’t They? https://www.enotrans.org/article/pay-farmers-not-grow-crops-dont/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20farm%20program%20pays,no%20longer%20grow%20that%20crop.

@sharpii2, perhaps you can apply for non- travel subsidies.

-Will (Dragonfly)

 

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Famous mastermind last words: "Hey! Look what I can do!"

 

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