Identify Picture Of Schooner

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  1. flathead65
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    flathead65 Jeff Thompson

    Does anyone know the identity of the Schooner depicted in this drawing? I found it in an article on the Chicago Maritime Museum website entitled "Steamboats and Steel Hulls". Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
     

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  2. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    It's EUGENE, a little Great Lakes Scow Schooner...

    << Edit: Just saw below the picture on the above linked web page the note ‘‘Basic scow-schooner. Chicago Maritime Museum’’ so it's probably not EUGENE we see there, and they probably just used the picture from the museum to illustrate the article. >>

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    And Rockaway from the Great Lakes...

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    See also Mystic Seaport's extensive library ---> William Garden Collection

    William Garden's TILLICUM ---> see thread: Large Sailing Scow ---> post #8

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    To increase your on-screen display, in Windows and maybe some other programs, for a better view of the above rather small scans...

    If you have a mouse with a scroll wheel:

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    If you you don't have a mouse with a scroll wheel, or just prefer to use the keyboard, then simply increase/decrease the size of on-screen text and graphics:

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  3. philSweet
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    philSweet Senior Member

    Considering the source of the document, it's probably a great lakes Pound Net Boat or a small trading scow.

    <edit> too funny, cross posted and posted the exact same photo.

    BTW, this site describes the photo as a ship "similar to the Rockaway" - http://michiganshipwrecks.org/shipw...gories/shipwrecks-found/rockaway/scowschooner

    http://thunderbay.noaa.gov/history/vessels/sailing.html#schoonerbarge
     
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  4. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    That's remarkable. If you in post #2 click on the "Rockaway" link, and then in the web page that appears click on the picture, then you're on the above linked page.

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    [​IMG] - (Below link 1 & 2 are from the same website)

    1 - ROCKAWAY (1866) - Has the same picture as above displayed.

    2 - Scow Schooner similar to the ROCKAWAY - Has the same picture as above displayed.

    3 - ROCKAWAY (+1891) - Has the same picture as above displayed.

    4 - J.B. PRIME (1866, Scow Schooner) - Has the same picture as above displayed.

    5 - J.B. PRIME (1866, Scow Schooner) - Has the same picture as above displayed.

    6 - ROCKAWAY (1866, Scow Schooner) - Has no picture.

    7 - ROCKAWAY (1852, Schooner) - Has no picture.​
     
  5. messabout
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    messabout Senior Member

    Angelique, Thank you for the valuable tip about increasing or decreasing the size of the on screen image. Why did I not know how to do that? There is much that we crusty old geriatrics know, and similarly, much that they do not know.

    I believe that a bunch of old guys in Crystal River Florida have recently built such a boat. It is a boat that was once fairly common in Florida's inland waterways as a freighter, mail boat, or whatever it needed to be. The fellows who built the boat used native materials, almost no power tools, and tried to keep the build as near authentic as they could. ....Does anyone have more details about this noble effort?
     
  6. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

  7. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    Whoever wants to see the tip, it's at the bottom of post #2, I'm glad it proves to be useful . . :)

    A very nice project . . . :)
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  8. One Cool Cat
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    Hello Everyone,
    I know the post is old, but the scow in the picture was never properly identified. The scow that is in that pencil drawing is not the Eugene or the Rockaway. It is in fact the scow "X-10-U-8" (Extenuate). One of the men standing on it is likely Capt. Charles C. Allers from Beaver Island, MI. I know this because he is the great, great, great grandfather to my children. and he sailed her from 1891 to 1917. She was a Great Lakes Scow Schooner (some called her a scow-bellied sloop, not sure of the difference). Capt. Allers would haul most anything he could sell in a port. Often he had lumber, potatoes, flour, or fruit. One story says that he hauled a lot of apples, so he installed a cider press on board so he could sell fresh apples as well as cider in port.


    The name X-10-U-8 was actually "borrowed" from a saloon in Chicago (as the story goes, it was on 35th street). She was built by George Smith in 1888 in South Haven, MI She grossed out at 23.73 tonnes, was 44' long, had a 15'7'' beam, and drafted 4'. She was abandoned in 1917 on Beaver Island, off the west coast of Michigan, where C.C. Allers retired.


    Pencil Drawing X-10-U-8 (Medium).PNG
    from this post

    X-10-U-8 Docked alone (Medium).jpg

    from my files

    If you look closely at the stern, it says "X-10-U-8" then below that," South Haven" where she was built.
    Thanks for putting up with the bump for an old post, but I wanted to set the record straight.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2022
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