Last voyage for Costa Concordia cruise ship

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  1. Jolly Amaranto
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  2. NavalSArtichoke
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    Well, he's free while his appeal is pending. While he is currently barred from command, it's not clear if his license has been revoked such that he could not sail in a non-command billet as a junior officer. Of course, he probably won't be able get a dancer to party with him on the bridge like he did in his last job.

    There's also no guarantee that his conviction won't be overturned by the Italian courts on appeal. Look at the Amanda Knox case ...
     
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    There is no comparison here, the Knox case is quite different. as she was a local girl there was a lot of coverage about that unfortunate case that I read in detail. There was no hard evidence linking Amanda Knox to the murder of her room mate, she had foolishly thought she would get a fair trial and never testified (she could not speak much Italian which did not help either). When they were trying Knox, they actually had the real murder in Jail who not only had a long criminal record, but confessed to the crime. The prosecutor was big on drama and fabricated lurid stories, wanted to create a media event with him at the center. The prosecutor has since been disbarred and had criminal charges for corruption brought against him. The Italian supreme court heavily scolded and censured the who prosecutorial staff and lower courts for gross misconduct in her case. none of that could be said about the captain of the Conorida.

    I would think maritime courts would have different procedures in place, there is no easy way out when you are supposed to be the officer in command and you sink your ship.
     
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    I'm not going to re-hash the details of the Knox case, which finally ended just last month. Suffice it to say, she was tried for murder, found guilty, appealed, underwent a second grade (appellate) trial and acquitted. The prosecution then filed their appeal of this acquittal verdict, which Italy's highest court granted, setting aside the verdict in the second grade trial.
    The prosecution's case was re-heard in 2013-2014 and again Knox was convicted of murder. Knox again appealed the verdict of this second trial, and the Italian supreme court overturned the verdict in the second trial only on March 27, 2015, ending the case.

    I found nothing which indicated that the prosecutors were accused or sanctioned for professional or prosecutorial misconduct in this case. Although the prosecutor in the first series of trials was accused of misconduct, tried, and subsequently convicted, these acts reportedly did not involve the events surrounding the Knox case. Like Knox, the prosecutor then appealed the verdict, which was overturned. Unlike American prosecutors, Italian prosecutors are appointed for life, and even had his conviction been sustained on appeal, it is unlikely that his job would have been forfeited. In any event, the second series of trials in the Knox case were handled by a different prosecutor, and no improprieties have thus been reported in his handling of the case.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuliano_Mignini

    Under Italian law, verdicts do not come into effect until after all appeals are exhausted, unlike U.S. law. The captain of the Concordia, although convicted and sentenced to prison, has not yet filed an appeal, and the case is still not completed under Italian law.
     
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    You outlined the history of the case, and be that as it may, it would not have come to trial with no evidence nor motive in a US court. There are a lot details about the evidence that were constantly gone over in the Seattle press about the case, and, presuming they were all accurate as represented, it is baffling to see how they would have gotten a prosecution at all. It appears that public opinion was poisoned against Knox by both the press and the first prosecutor, making it difficult for officials to dismiss the charges (egos may have also played into it, and to hide misconduct by both the police and detectives). I think there were a couple of things that knox did when she discovered her roomate dead that contributed to her trouble, but it is not unreasonable nor out of character for a scared 19 year old might do after coming across the horrific murder of her room mate in her apartment (she changed her story about her whereabouts after the police brow beat her through several very long interrogations). But that does not make her guilty of murder, particularly since there was no hard evidence of her involvement, and they already had the murder in jail. The conduct of the investigators would have had the case thrown out before it even came to court in the US. You have no such protections in foreign courts.
     
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    It's irrelevant how circumstances would be different in either the Knox case or the Concordia case under U.S. law.

    I'm not here to argue if Knox was or was not guilty; personally, I don't care one way or the other. All I'm saying is that the Italian justice system functions differently from the U.S. justice system. I'm just providing an illustration of this in response to the post by ImaginaryNumber.

    The larger point is, both the Knox case and the Concordia case are being adjudicated under Italian law. Under that law, an appeal of a case extends the judicial process even after a conviction has been handed down by a lower court.

    In the U.S., an appellant in a criminal case is not automatically granted bail pending the resolution of the appeal process; the appellant may spend this entire period in jail if so sentenced, until the conviction is overturned, should that occur.

    Sure, the captain of the Concordia has been found guilty in the deaths of the passengers and crew who died in the accident, but should he file an appeal of his conviction, as is expected, he will remain free, although still sentenced to prison. Should he seek employment at sea while his appeal is pending, he is presently barred from command for five years. It's not clear that he couldn't still sail as a junior officer, in a non-command capacity, should some company be willing to hire him.

    In the U.S., many deck and engineering officers sail in junior billets even though they may hold licenses which would allow them to work as more senior officers. This is because there are often more licensed officers looking to work than jobs are available on U.S. flagged vessels.
     
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    'Someone' snuck aboard and took some video, the powers that be are not happy.

    http://gcaptain.com/illegal-urbex-video-inside-costa-concordia-wreck-super-cree

     
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    I thought our Ad Hoc is in Japan, so maybe he can be excused . . :eek:
     
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    The captain of the Costa Concordia has been sentenced to 16 years.
    He has the right, under Italian law, to ask the second trial.
    Hi is not in prison, but under control and can not leave the country.

    All the problems of Amanda Knox were born beginning, because she is a liar, and in fact, although in the end not convicted for the murder, was sentenced to three years, by final judgment, for slander. A man was jailed three months for his lies.

    Nobody ever beat her in prison, and if she came back in Italy she will have to answer even this lie.
     
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    YouTube avatar of "AdHoc" aka "AdHocF1"

    I've got him by his YouTube avatar, it's Buddy Hawks aka "Clutch", his Penetrator mask allows him to pass through solid objects . . :eek:
    The Costa Concordia video of this "AdHoc" aka "AdHocF1" seems to be the first boat/ship that appears in his video's on YouTube, looks like he is more interested in F1 and other things.
     
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    Aaahhh..the wonders of internet anonymity and pseudonymous that are as common as air.

    I only wish i could take credit, but alas not :eek:
     
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    ''The prosecutor has since been disbarred and had criminal charges for corruption brought against him.''

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    I'm curious to see where you found this
     
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    Costa Concordia Ready for Last Journey | Maritime Executive
    see also http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/costa-concordias-million-dollar-recycling-plan


    https://vimeo.com/127714851
     
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    May 12, 2015 The wreck of the ship Concordia is in the former Superbacino, where he arrived in the morning at the end of his last trip to the sea. Entry bow, pulled by two tugs of the port of Genoa, was accompanied by the patrol boats of the Harbor and from a barge for environmental surveys. Already removed 5700 tons of materials in Pra Junta on July 27, the Concordia had been reduced by more than 5,700 tons of furniture and interior equipment to reach the required draft for the new destination. The maneuvers for leaving the port of Pra were started around 16 to Monday, May 11. The wreck, pulled by eight tugboats, was kept floating by stabilizers 30 and was equipped with a complex system of balancing compressed air to control the trim during navigation. End operations in 2016 will now start work on dismantling and recycling of the wreck, which will conclude in 2016 in segregated environment and dry in the fourth dry dock.

    Schettino was sacked and confiscated his passport.
    In the second instance he could have the sentence reduced, but also increased
     

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