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Obviously, that erroneous thought is comforting to you. So be my guest, go ahead and believe it.
And THEN you can wonder and fret over why isn't the USA on board with AGW?

Because most Americans, 73%, REJECT AGW and won't vote for AGW's agenda.
But since you refuse to believe that, The USA will just have to remain a mystery to you.

 

Its a shame Hoytetoe and yob are trying to derail this thread , how ever it gives a fine example about scientific climate denialist internet trolls.

 

Not derailing the thread.
Just scissoring your propaganda into paper dolls!

 

Yes it is comforting to know you and Hoytetoe are the 8%ers "very small minority" of the USA

 

You are derailing this thread and I can prove it, at least hoytetoe admits it,

 

When you misspell another member's name in a way that appears to be namecalling, it can be taken as insulting too, so this should be avoided as it too derails threads.

Possibly this thread is too broad. A problem with previous climate change or global warming threads is that the overall topic is so politicized and opinions have already been so strongly formed on both sides, that the thread ends up with simply repeated statements of the same overall opinions and eventually jabs rather than a good discussion. The thread ends up as a copy and paste of opposing summaries, with distrust for who wrote anything and an infinite pool to draw jabs and counter jabs from without a coherent discussion or analysis. Posts which contain insults directed towards others have been removed several times from this thread; let's please keep posts here as interesting discussion on the topic of actual "Ocean News". It would be better to take any further jabs to some other venue. And, please, keep this thread for posts which everyone can find interesting, related to the topic of "ocean news".

Thanks.

 

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http://www.wired.com/2016/03/sea-level-rise-predictable-will-anything-bad-awful/

San Francisco is a city surrounded on three sides by water. Well, maybe not so much surrounded as besieged. High tides already spill onto the sidewalks, and future sea level rise threatens roads, homes, and infrastructure. Duly noted. Last week the city released an action plan (really, a plan to make a plan) to protect its coastal assets and population against sea level rise.
San Francisco may be ahead of the curve in terms of action, but it is by no means the only place in danger. A rising tide may lift all boats, but it is hell for coastal civilization. A new study published today in the journal Nature Climate Change warns that future sea levels could displace far more people than previous studies have calculated.
Coastal inundation studies like this are basically the result of smashing two datasets together. The first half are coastal inundation maps, which basically show where higher seas seep into the existing topography. This is pretty straightforward: Turn up the faucet, and see the bays and peninsulas of the future. As long as you don’t try to predict exactly when sea levels will rise, these models are pretty noncontroversial (more on that later).
Don’t get it twisted: the waters they are a-rising. But the rate is anything but predictable. For example, a pair of recent studies showed that sea level rise has been accelerating at previously unforeseen rates. Even if that research were included in the NOAA sea level rise data used in this study (which is was not), it would not be enough to print out beach brochures for 2100.
Which is not to say this research is useless. “As a planning tool, it is good to get an idea of what could happen, even if it doesn’t show exactly what will happen,” says Kearney. But he said research like this could be more useful to planners if it focused more on the near term. “With the trends we have now and technology growing like it is, we might be able to have some certainty about what is going to happen in the 2030s.” The best time to build a sea wall was twenty years ago. The second best time is right now.

 

I will place the yob and his sidekick on my ignore.
Thanks for the advice

 

Building sea walls is a reasonable solution and tactic, even if never needed.
Creates jobs and encourages the economy.

I'm not a Californian and their state isn't fiscally well managed like my Florida is.
Might be a strain on them to pay for it, but less than perpetual carbon taxes would be, and a seawall project has a finished and paid for cutoff future date.
Closure.
I wish them good luck.

And Louisiana has the expertise. Lot's of seawalls and levees along it's many hundreds of miles of mighty rivers and bayous. And a much smaller state.
California should be able to do what Louisiana has done.

https://foursquare.com/v/morgan-city-sea-wall/4efb7a745c5c68fa0f05fc4c

Concrete seawalls decorated in bas-relief scenes, and sliding concrete sea doors to close off streets in high water. Bas-relief seawall behind fire hydrant.



Morgan City La is a small town with lots of water front. ICW running E to W and Atchafalaya river running N to S, and Bayou Teche and Bayou Boef and Bayou Black and Bayou Chene and a few more..

 

Interesting site, NASA. http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

Sea Level Chart, courtesy of the Australian CSIRO.

The additioanl problem with warmer water besides rising, is the amount of energy available for serious weather events.

Cyclones are becoming less frequesnt but much higher intensity.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/02/22/2826397.htm

 

There is a lot of dissonance on the part of reputable scientists on both sides, as to whether weather is getting more severe or not.

Media coverage certainly is more intense.

 

What...you think Louisiana takes care of it's own levees? LOL Why am I not surprised?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-new-orleans-but-annual-bill-is-crushing?lite

That was 4 years ago, things have changed since then...

http://www.nola.com/futureofneworleans/2015/08/new_levees_inadequate_for_next.html

I'd like to see hoytedow take a hand on the bible pledge to not accept any government money to shore up his place when the waters arise.

 

https://legis.la.gov/legis/Law.aspx?d=67980

"NOTE: Section 38 as proposed by Acts 1950, No. 565, adopted Nov. 7, 1950.

§38. Jefferson Parish; public improvement districts; levee systems, pumps, etc.; indebtedness; bonds

Section 38. Acting under the provisions of this article of the Constitution and Chapter 4 of Title 39 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950,1 insofar as applicable thereto, the Public Improvement Districts organized in the Parish of Jefferson, State of Louisiana, under the provisions of Act No. ____ 2 of the Legislature of Louisiana for the year 1950, may, through their governing authorities, incur debt and issue bonds, secured by and payable from ad valorem taxation as prescribed under the constitutional limitations on all the property situated within the said districts sufficient in amount for the purpose of purchasing, acquiring, constructing and erecting levee systems, pumps, flood gates and appliances necessary therefor, and to fill lands and construct soil erosion works, title to which shall be in the public. Said Public Improvement Districts are hereby declared to be political subdivisions of the state and shall have and exercise such further powers as may be authorized by the legislature.

Added by Acts 1950, No. 565, adopted Nov. 7, 1950."


Yes, I believe Louisiana paid for MOST of their levees and seawalls.

After Katrina, the federal government declared New Orleans a Federal disaster zone, thereby committing Federal mitigation monies to New Orleans.

And The Corps of Engineers was found culpable for a lot of the damage to New Orleans in 2005.

http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2014/10/louisiana_files_federal_suit_t.html


And a bit about Florida's fiscal record.

http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Holcombe_FloridaFiscalPolicy_summary_v1(KP).pdf

So, there's a couple of working blueprints how it can be done, if any Californians are reading.

 

Certainly likely for wealthy cities, such as NYC. However, for some otherwise wealthy locations, such as Miami, the subsurface geology will prohibit building protective seawalls. Their short-term solution is to install pumps. But for the vast majority of locations, which are not wealthy enough to build protective structures, moving further inland or being washed away may be their only option.

 

Yes, visual experiments are nice. And in Myark's next post he gave the URL for an article in which they showed that fresh water ice floating in salt water will increase the total volume when melted. And since sea ice is 'fresher' than salt water (because of snow falling on it, and possibly because of salt leaching out over time???), even the melting of sea ice will contribute a little to the volume of water increasing.