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Sea level rise. Scare tactics again. Trying to stampede people into decisions/actions they wouldn't RATIONALLY do.
How MUCH sealevel rise? It should be required that every alarmist scare headline, include the DEGREE of scariness.

http://blog.ucsusa.org/brenda-ekwur...f-you-live-on-the-u-s-gulf-or-east-coasts-514

Eight inches since 1880, a scary relentless 6/100ths of an inch per year.
Head for the hills!
And they have limited confidence in THAT figure, because it's the land rising and sinking more than the waters.

Are you frightened of continental drift?
It's a bigger factor in sea level change than AGW is.

Stampedes are dangerous. Those you try to herd can turn abruptly and run over you.
https://youtu.be/2KPplYp7K7M https://youtu.be/j2klh2cTa_Q

 

Again, I am not suggesting banning people from this thread because they hold differing viewpoints from my own. I am instead suggesting banning those people who make such uncivil posts that the forum moderator feels compelled to delete those posts. The fact that you seem so threatened by this suggestion makes me wonder if you aren't one of those whose posts were deleted????

Since you seem compelled to wear your religion on your sleeve maybe I can get a way with breaking forum rules and quote some from the Beatitudes, as found in Matthew 5. Maybe if you contemplated Christ's words a bit more than you have you might alter the tone of your voice when you post.

 

Maybe you need to look at the same data set from a different point of view.

Sea level rise | Wikipedia

 

I'm pretty sure that at least some of the deleted posts were mine. Not because the statements were wrong, but because they weren't all that civil.

 

" Sea level rise is one of several lines of evidence that support the view that the global climate has recently warmed.[...] "
or that new technology, satellites, read differently than old tech tide stakes.

The same is true of satellite temperatures of the earth and ground located thermometers in urban centers.
The data sets don't agree.
Seems it's prudent to use one or the other, but don't try to add apples and oranges.
You confuse yourself and everybody depending on your analysis.

 

We don't need to argue on the forum Samsam.
We are geographically near enough to make a dawn appointment to meet as Southern gentlemen.
Swords or pistols? ;D
For your sake, make it pistols.
Fencing lessons when young and.
I'm a jazz drummer and my hands are ....the hand IS faster than the eye.
64th notes.
https://documentation.apple.com/en/finalcutpro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=D&section=3&tasks=true
"18 frames per second: Early motion picture films.
24 frames per second: Worldwide standard for movie theater film projectors."
64th notes faster than movie frames.
Even 16th notes look like a blur.

https://www.sightreadingfactory.com/
Preferred blade when fencing, the triple edged sabre.

 

I am glad you took the time to quote the Beatitudes. Had you gone back a chapter, you would have known that Satan himself quotes the Holy Bible when it suits his ends. http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/satans-bible-knowledge

 

As a certified Unwashed Heathen, I'm well on my way to gehenna.

 

Coral growth already being affected by acidifying oceans, new research finds | Sydney Morning Herald

 

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We hear a lot about carbon dioxide when we talk about climate change, but sometimes it's important to go back and examine why too much CO2 in the atmosphere is a bad thing.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-weather/stories/co2-101-why-is-carbon-dioxide-bad

CO2 — a naturally occurring gas that is also emitted at great levels by human activity — is one of several greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. Other greenhouse gases include water vapor, methane, ozone, nitrous oxide and halocarbons. To understand the impact of these gases, we first start with the sun, which sends solar radiation in the form of light to Earth. The atmosphere deflects some of this radiation, while the rest hits the planetary surface and warms the land and oceans. The Earth then radiates its own heat back up in the form of infrared rays. Some of those rays escape the atmosphere, while others are absorbed and then re-emitted by the atmospheric gases. These gases – the greenhouses gases – then help to keep the planet at its normal temperature.
For millions of years, the production of greenhouses gases was regulated by the natural systems of the planet. Gases would be absorbed and emitted at a fairly steady rate. Temperatures, meanwhile, were maintained at a level that supported life around the world. The Environmental Protection Agency characterizes this as "a balancing act."
Humans changed the balancing act beginning in the second half of the 1700s, at the start of the Industrial Revolution. Since that time we have been adding greenhouse gases, primarily CO2, to the atmosphere at a steadily increasing rate, trapping that heat and warming the planet. Although there are several greenhouse gases — some are more potent than others — CO2 currently represents about 84 percent of all greenhouse gases emitted by human activities, totaling about 30 billion tons a year. Most of this comes from burning fossil fuels for electricity and transportation, although industrial processes and forestry also contribute heavily.
Before the Industrial Revolution, CO2 levels were about 270 parts per million (ppm). CO2 levels were at about 313 ppm in 1960. They reached 400 ppm earlier this year. Many climate scientists say levels need to be reduced to 350 ppm to avoid the effects of climate change.
Carbon dioxide isn't only affecting the atmosphere. It has also made the oceans about 30 percent more acidic, affecting a wide variety of sea organisms. That percentage is also expected to rise in the coming years.
Obviously all of this carbon we have added to the atmosphere will not go away overnight. Its effects will be destructive and long-felt. But by understanding the impact of CO2, hopefully we can make steps toward reducing our emissions and, if we're really lucky, avoid the worse effects of climate change yet to come.

 

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11 alarming facts about sea-level rise

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-weather/blogs/facts-about-sea-level-rise

The ocean is coming for us. Global sea levels are now rising by 3.4 millimeters per year, up from an average rate of 1.4 mm per year last century. In just 80 years, the ocean could be a full 1.3 meters (4.3 feet) taller than it is today.
That kind of planetary sea change can be hard to fathom — unless you live in a low-lying place like Miami, the Maldives or the Marshall Islands, where the effects of sea-level rise are already apparent. But within just a few decades, the problem will become unavoidable in major coastal cities around the world, from New Orleans, New York and Amsterdam to Calcutta, Bangkok and Tokyo.
We all know why this is happening. Rising seas are one of the most salient effects of man-made climate change, triggered by thermal expansion of seawater as well as the influx of melting glaciers. Yet many people still see it as a distant risk, failing to grasp how (relatively) quickly the sea is swallowing shores worldwide. And since half of all humans now live within 60 kilometers (37 miles) of a coast, this isn't a niche issue.
To help put things in perspective, here's a deeper look at the problem:
On average, sea levels rose by 1.4 mm from 1900 to 2000. The yearly pace had surpassed 3 mm by 2010, and now it's up to 3.4 mm per year.
If not for surging carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, sea levels should have only risen about an inch or two last century, and might have even fallen. Instead, thanks to the highest CO2 levels at any point in human history, global sea levels rose by 5.5 inches (14 cm) between 1900 and 2000. That's the fastest oceanic advance in 27 centuries, according to a study published Feb. 22, and it's still speeding up.
"The 20th century rise was extraordinary in the context of the last three millennia — and the rise over the last two decades has been even faster," says lead author Robert Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University, in a
Sea levels could rise another 1.3 meters (4.3 feet) in the next 80 years.
Unfortunately, CO2 emissions linger in the atmosphere for centuries, and today's CO2 levels have already committed Earth to dangerous sea-level rise. About 99 percent of all freshwater ice resides in two ice sheets: one in Antarctica and one in Greenland. Both are expected to melt if humanity's CO2 output isn't curbed quickly, but the question is when — and how much damage we still have time to prevent.
The Greenland ice sheet is smaller and melting more quickly. If it completely melted, sea levels would rise by about 6 meters (20 feet). The Antarctic ice sheet has been more buffered from warming so far, but it's hardly immune, and would raise the ocean by 60 meters (200 feet) if it melted. (Estimates vary widely on how long these ice sheets might survive — while most expect they'll take centuries or millennia to melt, a controversial 2015 paper suggested it could happen much more quickly.)

 

Condescending articles, like this one, give no data, just the same old talking points, in the tone of a night time story for a small child.

So, I added some meat.
Except the REAL MEAT (the data) doesn't support but refutes the assertions in the fairy tale article!
If this were really a child's bedtime story, it would be cruel story to tell to a child.
THIS fairy tale is intended to FRIGHTEN you. So you'll panic and act without thinking first!

CO2 is Not a powerful, nor significant, nor dangerous greenhouse gas. And man isn't putting very much in the atmosphere, compared to natural sources of CO2.
The more parts per million concentration, the weaker it becomes as to causing additional warming.
It's managed nearly all the warming effect CO2 can manage. Look at the log scale just above.
1000 parts per million won't increase temperature the 2 degrees C they want to arbitrarily draw the line as safe.

CO2 IS beneficial at 1000 ppm. Makes the earth GREEN with growing plants!
How do I know? Because THAT's the CO2 concentration in commercial greenhouses, the growers deliberately introduced to their greenhouses.
And no, you don't need a mask to breathe inside.
https://diggingintheclay.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/the-futility-of-trying-to-limit-co2-emissions/

 

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The oceans are warming so fast, they keep breaking scientists' charts
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-so-fast-they-keep-breaking-scientists-charts

Wow, was this a bad year for those who deny the reality and the significance of human-induced climate change. Of course, there were the recent flurry of reports that 2014 surface temperatures had hit their hottest values ever recorded. The 2014 record was first called on this blog in December and the final results were reported as well, here. All of this happened in a year that the denialists told us would not be very hot.
But those denialists are having a tough time now as they look around the planet for ANY evidence that climate change is not happening. The problem is, they’ve been striking out.
And just recently, perhaps the most important bit of information came out about 2014 – how much the Earth actually warmed. What we find is that the warming is so great, NOAA literally has to remake its graphs.
So what do the new data show? Well, it turns out that the energy stored within the ocean (which is 90% or more of the total “global warming” heat), increased significantly. A plot from NOAA is shown above. You can see that the last data point (the red curve), is, literally off the chart.

The folks at NOAA do a great job updating this graph every three months or so. We can now say that the 2014 Earth had more heat (thermal energy) than any year ever recorded by humans. We can also say that the folks at NOAA will likely have to rescale their graph to capture the new numbers

So when we look back on 2014 and the records that fell, it gives us some pause about the so-called pause (hat-tip to Dr. Greg Laden for that phrase). Some people tried to tell us global warming had “paused”, that it ended in 1998, or that the past 15 years or so had not seen a change in the energy of the Earth. This ocean warming data is the clearest nail in that coffin. There never was a pause to global warming, there never was a halt, and the folks that tried to tell you there was were, well, I’ll let you decide. For me, the facts speak for themselves.

 

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As sea levels rise, economic damage piles up even faster: study

http://news.yahoo.com/sea-levels-rise-economic-damage-piles-even-faster-231256317.html

OSLO (Reuters) - As sea levels rise, threatening cities from New York to Shanghai, the economic damage will increase even faster, scientists said on Monday.
Extreme floods whipped up by storms will become ever more costly for cities as ocean levels edge up around the world's coasts in coming decades, they wrote in a study that could help guide governments budgeting to protect everything from buildings and basements to metro systems.
"The damage from sea level rise rises faster than sea level rise itself," co-author Juergen Kropp, part of a team at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, told Reuters of the findings.
For the Danish capital Copenhagen, for instance, a moderate sea level rise of 11 cm (4 inches) by 2050 from 2010 levels would cause about a billion euros ($1.1 billion) a year in extra damage if no protective action is taken, the study estimated.
But the costs would quadruple to 4 billion euros if the rate of sea level rise roughly doubles to 25 cm by 2050, in line with the worst scenarios projected by a U.N. scientific panel, they wrote in the journal Natural Hazards and Earth System Sciences.
World sea levels are creeping higher, the U.N. panel says, partly because global warming is adding water to the oceans by melting glaciers from the Andes to the Alps and parts of vast ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica

 

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-so-fast-they-keep-breaking-scientists-charts

THE FACTS INDEED SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

And warming or climate change is NOT PROOF man causes it.
If you predict the sun will rise tomorrow, can you claim responsibility for causing it to rise when it does? Of course not!

The big cheat of AGW is claiming man is the cause for an ancient continuous natural cycle of climate change.
But only beginning in the 20th century.
And they hasten to assure you, it WAS natural causes prior to the 20th century.
And a circular argument, that look, see the climate changes, that proves man caused it.
Illogical and fraudulent arguments!