3500 migrants a year drowning in the Med is unacceptable. It's action time!

Discussion in 'All Things Boats & Boating' started by Stephen Ditmore, Jan 23, 2016.

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  1. Rumars
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    So I am to understand that the definition of piracy does not include the intentional sinking of a manned boat? Oh wait, you do not sink it, you only puncture it in order to disable the boat. So by extension if a somali shoots a hole in a ship with his RPG it's not piracy he has only disabled a ship. I think that is a very liberal interpretation of the Convention for the Suppresion of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Maritime Navitation art.3 ยง (c).
    Mister CDK if you make a proposal stand by it and be prepared to accept the consequences.
    Yes you are right that one action can be seen in diferent ways. All the male refugees from Syria are probably deserters and should be imprisoned (one side of the conflict) or traitors of the faith and decapitated (the other side). And I am sure that all somali pirates are celebrated as defenders of the home waters and successful tax collection agencies.
    But in any country the intentional distruction of private or public property done by private individuals on the sea consitutes a form of piracy or for some countries even terrorism. If done in turkish waters it is punishable under turkish law as it sees fit, and if done in international waters under the law of your home country or the country that apprehended you. As long as you do not represent the national interests of a country you are a pirate. If you represent a country it is an act of war or in the best case scenario an "international incident".
     
  2. Manie B
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    For the old timers :)

    Remember the movie "Soylent Green"

    starting to makes sense now doesn't it ???

    recycle them and they can feed themselves ;)
     
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    It is nice to know that everything can be recycled and start again after we have made all of our mess.
    We are temporary residents, but some groups of people believe they will be saved.
    We in New Zealand are being replaced by about 65.000 each year.
    At least 6000 Migrants/invaders first wave has just been welcomed.
    United Nations say we must be tolerant of violent Culture and Religious groups.
     
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    Hi Tom
    As we know New Zealand is most likely the safest place in the world when a nuclear war kicks off, especially since NZ stopped the USA from bringing their war ship and nuclear war heads into NZ harbors, NZ will eventually be swamped with refuges from all nations like the USA and UK fleeing from their nuclear fall out and there is little we can do except unit.
     
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    If there were any design ideas or work which could save lives legally, that would be most appropriate for the Boat Design Forums, and the desire to save lives is certainly commendable. But it would be better to direct further political, non-boating-related, discussion to another venue. Thanks.
     
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    As mentioned Myark folding trailer barges are designed for amphibious situations that could be used for refugees fleeing for their life's that legally can resettle in other country's that have amnesty when a family life faces persecution leading to execution.

    In the near future climate change will also be part of people leaving their country to find food when have droughts or floods as well as sea level rises or civil wars caused by climate change as said Syria's conflict.

    The main feature of a boat crossing a ocean safely is width and sealed hulls and storage, also to be able to land so the craft is brought ashore such as island hoping to avoid storms or crossing lands, lakes and traveling remote rivers.

    The main benefit is you can take your towing car or camper for its luxuries and be independent when reaching land that does not need public boat launching ramps.

    As the sea rises and lands flood future Myark folding trailer barges can be a low cost insurance, as how many will loose their valuables such as priceless collectors car in a flood or priceless home items, animals or neighbors sitting on their roof tops traumatized.

    Not only the Myark folding trailer barges can save life's and items as well as rescue animals it stows in a narrow place on back section and can be used for the leisure market or commercial operations on lakes rivers sea and land.

    Eventaully I will start the new designs and manufacture in China where I am now based making small design items for the marine market and grow from there.

    The Myark sizes range from 6.m X 2.8 m to 15.m X 6.m which can be legally towed on land and have marine survey certifications if needed.

    Picture is an old outdated proto type saving cattle from islands during a flood.
    I was the only boat design in NZ that could be transported to save cattle from drowning.

    The farmer told me he would sooner let them drown than pay some one to save them, I did it for free so the animals would not suffer but the sad part is the farmer quickly loaded truck up wit cattle when back land to be transported to the slaughter house.
    Humans
     

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    Edited because the very first sentence was a major fail before, sorry. It's fixed now.

    The problem is not that folks don't know how to build safe boats, or know how to navigate in them, or know enough to be relatively safe while doing so ... it is that they, the smugglers, just don't care.

    That's why this always comes back to politics. Why it always will.

    As was observed earlier: they get paid up front.

    Now, every airlines, every cruise line, buses and trains too as far as I know, all get paid up front. Mainly taxis don't. So getting paid up front isn't always a problem ... please don't think I'd say it is.

    Can we realistically address this though so that, even though there's a "no repeat business" aspect to all this, even though the smugglers don't care they will at least take some care? Can you imagine a statute that lets the smugglers keep the money free and clear if they can show they were not to be paid until arrival like some taxi service? I think most legislatures would laugh at me for suggesting it....
     
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    The choice is "easy": Pay up front or stay on the frontline.....
    People pay up to 6000$ for a passage so that scumbag buisiness is worth millions of $$$$$$
    Somali piracy was taken care off because Insurance companies lost millions of dollars each year. Loosing lives is seemingly not important enough to solve the Syria problem, at least not as important as dollars are......
     
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    The future Myark amphibious folding self trailer barges cost will start from $6000 USD that can carry a 3000 KG load, meaning you can take your towing car with you so when reach land you are not stranded on the beach and can fold barge into trailer form and keep moving to safety.
     
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    I have believed for a long time now that we should cut funding for the socialist oriented NPR. If they want to survive, then they should try to sell advertising like all the other networks and quit begging; the same for PBS.
     
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    Based on long running experience with KERA 13 in Dallas/Fort Worth, with less funding the fans of British TV step up to the plate and we used to have a lot of really good classic BBC that we don't see anymore.

    Inclusive of less commonly seen fare like The Avengers, Blake's 7, Monty Python, even the TV version of tHHGttG.

    With funding we get more drama that you could see on other cable channels dedicated to snooty or chick-flick fare, less in the way of real entertainment.
     
  14. Stephen Ditmore
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    You have a problem with news?
     

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    How much of the US budget do you think goes to NPR and PBS? Don't cheat and look it up, just tell us how much percentage you think it is.
    While you're at it, how much goes to oil and agricultural subsidies?
     
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