Buccaneer 24 Builders Forum

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by oldsailor7, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. bruceb
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    compilcations

    There is not a lot "extra" to a Buc 24, which is part of the reason that it can be finished in under 1000 hrs. Most of the panels can be dimensioned directly from the plans, with very little measuring. The frame drawings are full scale, so it is hard to go very wrong, and most parts are light enough that one or two people can easily handle them.
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  2. Auntie Frannies
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    New to this forum and have been interested in the B24 on and off for years now. I've been going back and forth between this and a more modern design like the Scarab/Avalon from Ray Kendrick. Do you still have plans available OldSailor?
     
  3. Auntie Frannies
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    There seems to be a lot of possibilities for this boat, is there a master of design modifications, improvements, material alternatives etc?
     
  4. oldsailor7
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    Yes I currently have two sets of plans available.
    As usual, make 5 posts and then PM me by clicking on my avatar.
    I don't use E-mail for privacy reasons.
    There is no "Master of design modifications".
    For legal liability reasons the plans I provide are exactly as Lock Crowther
    drew them. Any modifications you want to make are your own responsibility.
    There are plenty of good ideas suggested in this forum thread.
     
  5. Auntie Frannies
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    Thanks for the reply, I meant "master list". Seems that some of the improvements have been extending the transom, and extending the amas. Lifting foils seem like a good idea, especially if they can be designed to eliminate the centerboard.
     
  6. oldsailor7
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    Leeway resisting foils on the Amas are a workable idea.
    Lifting foils on the Amas have not proved successful in replacing the vertical dagger board in the Vaka.
    Lifting foils on the Amas, plus a daggerboard in the Vaka, have worked well.
     
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    I think Miranda has only angled boards in the floats and no dagger. Gary Baigent has posted the about the mods to this B24 elsewhere. Maybe in this thread.
     
  8. oldsailor7
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    It greatly depends on the angle of the boards.
     
  9. Gary Baigent
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    Miranda's foil/board angle.
     

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    Yes, Miranda is the inspiration for me strongly considering this design again. I thought I read, though that a centerboard might be needed due to reduced pointing ability. Might have been a different boat, though, I read so much all over the place and forget over half what I read.
     
  11. oldsailor7
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    That might have been Bruce B's experience. ;)
     
  12. Auntie Frannies
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    I've still got a lot more reading to do, and I'm sure I will come across an answer somewhere, but I wonder if curved or J foils could easily be designed(though likely not so easily built) to keep the boat pointing high without a centerboard?
    If it proves to not be so simple for a home builder, does the B24 design lend itself to a pivoting board to reduce vertical intrusions in the cabin, or would the long slot introduce too much drag?
     
  13. oldsailor7
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    The pivoting centreboard case, as on the B28, is actually "Hidden" in the front of the cabin settee. It is controlled by "Up" and "Down" lines running back from turning blocks at the base of the mast to a pair of jam cleats on the back edge of the cabin top, adjacent to the cockpit, for convenient control.
    The long board slot is "Faired" by a flexible (but stiff) rubber seal which closes when the board is "Up", preventing turbulence in the board case. Drag is minimal.
    My B28 had this system and it proved effective and trouble free for the two years I sailed, raced and cruised it. It is easily adaptable to the B24.
     
  14. Auntie Frannies
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    That sounds like the way to go then, if it turns out a centerboard is needed. I have two small kids that would likely spend more time in the cabin than on deck, so cabin space is important.
    Would this be something that would be easy to add after construction if the ama foils don't prove sufficient, or does it need to be accounted for during construction?
     

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    Imo

    Hi AF, welcome to the forum. I guess I have to say something:rolleyes:.
    Last year, I never did get finished testing and building my A-boards on my 24, although I did sail with them quite a bit (mostly one at a time). I did get a Buc-33 and a new right hip, so it wasn't a wasted year. :cool:
    In my experience, the float boards work great, but they are not a complete replacement for a main hull center/dagger board. Since they are not, for several reasons, the added complication, expense and weight would have to be considered for your use to see if they were justified. The boat sails well with a center dagger and probably almost as well with an offset centerboard, but I am not so sure there is enough foot room in the already small cabin for the centerboard case. On the B-28, it is built into the front of a bunk/seat, but the 24 just doesn't have that much floor space. That said, I know that some 24s have been built with centerboard trunks, but I have never seen photos of one and it might work fine.
    The other mods would all work, and would "modernize" the B-24, but would also add complication and some expense to a very simple and easy to build design. At some point, it is no longer "Buc", and a newer design would be a better starting point.
    The 24's floats would be very easy to build in pre-laminated foam/glass panels, and some parts of the rest of the Buc would also adapt well. If I were building a Buc or a "Buc like" tri, that is how I would do it ;)
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