Costa Concordia, 80 deg list, really scary !!

Discussion in 'Stability' started by smartbight, Jan 15, 2012.

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  1. jehardiman
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    You would not believe how much hazardous material will be found inside that ship. Immersing organic material in stagnant seawater with little oxygen flow creates toxic material and poisonous gasses. The corrosion of the electric and electronic components are the same, toxic products everywhere. And then there are the fluids in everything from the main engines to the air conditioners and refrigerators. I bet they have a no discharge requirement and a clean-up clause which is why they plated over all the ports and sealed the breach. I also bet that 1/3 to 1/2 the cost is going to environmental monitoring, abatement, and clean-up.

    When I first started in shipbuilding, I used to come home and the shower water would run white from the asbestos dust. Lead was handled in and out of ballast bins by hand and stacked on the pier. And don't even think about how we blasted and painted and what we used to do that. Today everything is environmentally controlled, sealed atmospheres and air fed suits...makes Dexter look sloppy. And the increase in cost all that takes has doubled the cost of a ship overhaul, and that is assuming you kept the water out of bins.

    You can't have it both ways...the salvage can't be cheap with the environmental controls strict. There is a reason ships are towed to Bangladesh to be broken up.
     
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    Amen...
     
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    After an admission like that, I gotta wonder what the statute of limitations are?

    :p

    I am glad we are paying more attention to what we live and swim in. Some of the stuff we used to do was stupid and dangerous.

    Sadly, a lot of what we used to do is being done in China, India, and the rest of south east asia .... On a much, much larger scale than we ever did.

    :(

    I wonder if three generations from now will have national parks ....
     
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    Hey! now they won't check out my blog .... I shoulda hid the link address ....

    :)

    Thank you Peter!
     
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    Laws and rules were different then, when all housepaints had lead in them and acoustic and floor tiles in schools were asbestos for fire safety. Gas was leaded, brake and clutch linings were asbestos, copper piping solder was leaded and Freon was used in air horns at football games; so slag blasting TBT bottom paints off was not a big waste stream in the overall scheme of things. You have to be of an age to remember the first Earth Day, and the "don't touch the blasting cap/railroad squib" TV commericials; they were right up there with the Ked's run faster, jump higher ones that were shown when Lassie saved Timmy. Freon still has to be one of the best things to clean stainless steel with before welding though.
     
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    Earth day?

    Blasting caps?

    Freon I remember, it was the cause of global warming before Al Gore re-invented it all ....
     
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    Freon was never 'the' cause of global warming; it was (and is) just one of the contributors.

    Kinda hung up on Al Gore, aren't you? He's a messenger, not a root cause. Regardless of what you think of him, he didn't invent the problems we're facing today. Do you really think if there had never been an Al Gore, we wouldn't have climate change?
     
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    Anyway, back on topic...

    It still irks me that everyone talks about the Costa Concordia being over one hundred thousand tonnes. That's her gross tonnage (114,147), actual deadweight in this lift ~77,000 tonnes (i.e. 89,000 max less full complement, 200 tonnes, and fuel, 10,000 tonnes). Still larger than USS OKLAHOMA but less than RMS QUEEN ELIZABETH. If this had happened 40 years ago, she would have been broken in place without a footnote.
     
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    Nope, not even a little wave. See posts #395 through #398 for a discussion.
     

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    I'm all for standards but those clowns in the EU have mandated all fire extinguishers red and yet still no reflective labels so you can see them in low light, but that never happens in a fire so its not a problem...
     
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