Climate change falsehood

[Boston]

the basics of the tidal cycle are fairly easy and the semi-diurnal system is commonly discussed at least at Woodshole since the area of Georges bank that Buzzards bay is in had two tidal cycles a day

its a combination of higher oxygen levels in colder water and higher nutrient levels upwelling from deeper water but
the dynamics of those upwelling currents is the kicker
all this it sounds like you know

thing is the English Navy has kept excellent records for about 500 years now concerning ocean currents and that base line is now coming in handy for gauging any alterations in the system that may be occuring

let me drop a few notes to some friends at Woodshole and see what I can come up with
someone is bound to be up there working on this issue
just a mater of tracking em down
best
B

ps
the pysics of tides is far more complex than folks give it credit for
with some serious differential equations
if I remember right
been a really long time

 

[Zed]

Maybe some one should ask Jeff to splice these two climate threads... lest I start a third one and we get a real echo going!

 

[Boston]

Jim first suggested that and I agreed with him
but so far its a no go
one or the other will fizzle out eventually

 

[mark775]

Sometimes one thread slants civil and can actually be used.

 

[kach22i]

I caught the last five minutes of an ABC climate crisis program last night. It looked at two paths our planet could go (through the life of Lucy), the current path and an alternate energy path.

The current path is not nice at all, guess I hope to die before the "big change" takes effect.

 

[gonzo]

It is interesting how these threads degenerate into political diatribes. The original question is basically whether climate change is mainly human caused, and if it is really bad. Oil resources may be limited, but another tropical era would replenish them. Hisorically, the Earth should be a tropical planet. We are really emotionally attached to the short lived Ice Age. Most people don't want changes. Geological changes are very frustrating because, as humans, there is very little we can do.

 

[Zed]

I don't really get how refering to oil is all that political? Or RU talking about the ABC thing?

A few million years of hot house conditions might help make some more, thats not realy going to help us out much!

I think historically the earth has been a popsicle, dust bowl and a hothouse! I was under the impression that we'd done more cold than warm --> mebe someone knows fur shur!

Yes we don't like to change... but it seems evident something has too here!

 

[Boston]

Mark
just in from the pub and had a great time
ok
my friend Allesia's birthday is coming up
apparently she wants to rent a tank and take a few shots
seems like she needs a crew and since I have some experience
Im in
wow
who would have thought you could rent a tank
$50 a shot at some junk car in the distance eh
I want frag rounds
cause they pack one hell of a wallop on something paper thin like an old junker
and at a buck a round you can blast away with the 50 all you want
wow
some yahooo is going to make a killing with this
all u need is an extra tank

 

[mark775]

The military channel has a show on rebuilding old, near-destroyed tanks. Fortunately, we havn't had the need for those here (yet, in our history), thus they are hard to find. I would think you would want a remote over-ride or kill switch, tho.

 

[Boston]

Im sure there is someone with a kill switch ready to keep us from blowing up the parking lot

but Im stoked and ready to roll

 

[hoytedow]

The discussion about climate change, whether it is true or not, has been dominated by the "greens" and other people with political agendas. They have managed to bias the discussion with the premise that a climate change is bad. In fact, with the premise that any change produced by humans is bad. They have a common theme which is that anything that any species other than human does is natural. However, anything done by the human species is unnatural and artificial. I think we are following our nature just as all other species are.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[hoytedow]

Well, its been awhile, but check down south, way south. http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...ice-area-sets-another-record-nsidc-is-silent/

 

[troy2000]

The discussion about climate change, whether it is true or not, has been dominated by the "greens" and other people with political agendas. They have managed to bias the discussion with the premise that a climate change is bad. In fact, with the premise that any change produced by humans is bad. They have a common theme which is that anything that any species other than human does is natural. However, anything done by the human species is unnatural and artificial. I think we are following our nature just as all other species are.

Let's get back to the original post....

You're moving the goalposts. Instead of challenging the science, you're challenging the motives of some people who publicize the science -- as though pointing out that some folks who believe in climate change are nuts somehow invalidates it.

Unfortunately for your argument, the overwhelming majority of scientists who say climate change is real and human-driven aren't making a value judgment. They're just pointing out reality as they see it, and as indicated by their research or that of their colleagues.

Although there may be two sides to every question, that doesn't mean the arguments on both sides are equal and deserve the same respect. And in this discussion, as in the one surrounding evolution, the so-called 'debate' is an artificial one -- characterized by facts and research on one side, and noise on the other.

 

[bntii]

The op....

I think we are following our nature just as all other species are.

Party on guys- its just our nature:



http://www.who.int/phe/news/Mercury-flyer.pdf

http://re.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/files/Global.pdf

http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/land_deg/land_deg.html

http://www.mcsuk.org/what_we_do/Fis...h stock decline worse than previously thought

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-deplete-fossil-water-in-worlds-breadbaskets/

http://www.epa.gov/epawaste/hazard/tsd/pcbs/pubs/effects.htm

http://www.wri.org/publication/eutrophication-and-hypoxia-in-coastal-areas

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0013/001325/132503e.pdf

http://www.who.int/phe/health_topics/outdoorair/databases/en/index.html

http://www.epa.gov/superfund/sites/

They have managed to bias the discussion with the premise that a climate change is bad. In fact, with the premise that any change produced by humans is bad. They have a common theme which is that anything that any species other than human does is natural. However, anything done by the human species is unnatural and artificial.

The often destructive nature of our influence is not a perception bias but a demonstrated fact.

 

[gonzo]

How is it more destructive than ants travelling and eating everything on their path?