What happened to Frosty ..I am worried

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  1. viking north
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    Agree 100% but how do you equate "Great Satan", Rush Limbaughs, Newt Gingriches--with the postings thus far. I see no offence toward the U.S. I'd be the first one to jump on stream to deter such. I am a history nut and always enjoy these discussions and strive to express pure history void of the political view.The best book on Canadian history i've ever read was written by an American (U.S.) prof. The united States occupies approx 50% of my history library of some 100 books. While only a very young country thats where I place it in the importance of the world. With that I vacate the thread and get on the road to visit, old friends, meet new friends, and drink good beer. --Geo.
     
  2. troy2000
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    I was taught the definitions of democracy, constitutional, republic, representation, and a lot of other basic political science vocabulary over fifty years ago. I certainly don't need to be looking it all up again because you're playing word games....

    As PAR rightly points out, a constitutional republic is by definition democratic. You might as well be arguing that an F150 isn't a pickup; it's a Ford.;)
     
  3. CatBuilder

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    Not you, my friend. This is an old topic of discussion here and the same characters pop up again and again saying "America" is not a country. It is, just the same way Tanzania or China is. They are all failing to understand how language works, then twisting it against their great Satan. It's the kind of argument Newt or Rush makes.

    You and I are from the same corner of the world. I understand your posts. It's others, off the continent that I'm speaking to.
     
  4. erik818
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    When in doubt, just Google it! "Define American" led to the following:

    "A·mer·i·can   /əˈmɛrɪkən/

    adjective
    1. of or pertaining to the United States of America or its inhabitants: an American citizen.
    2. of or pertaining to North or South America; of the Western Hemisphere: the American continents.
    3. of or pertaining to the aboriginal Indians of North and South America, usually excluding the Eskimos, regarded as being of Asian ancestry and marked generally by reddish to brownish skin, black hair, dark eyes, and prominent cheekbones.

    noun
    4. a citizen of the United States of America.
    5. a native or inhabitant of the Western Hemisphere.
    6. an Indian of North or South America.
    7. American English.
    8. a steam locomotive having a four-wheeled front truck, four driving wheels, and no rear truck. "

    My own opinion on the label to put on citizens of the USA is "US Americans", or shortened to "Americans" in sloppy talk. "USAnians" doesn't flow. I admit to being sloppy myself and usually use "American", unless it is important to e.g. destinguish between a US Citizen and a Canadian. In that case I would straighten up and use "US American". Although it might hurt the feelings of the inhabitants of both Americas, it isn't always important to pinpoint the exact citizenship.

    We will get the same language deterioration in Europe within a few years. EU citizens will be shortened to Europeans to save a few syllables. Soon enough this sloppy talk will be accepted as the norm, and Norwegians and Russians will be excluded when saying "European".

    It isn't just a question of the proper use of the English language. The problem of how to correctly label a citizen from the USA exist in Swedish, and I would assume most other languages, as well. The problem isn't important in Swedish either.

    Erik
     
  5. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Bazinga...
     
  6. Leo Lazauskas
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    That's not a real country, Mas!
     
  7. Timothy
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    As a Canadian I can tell you that when we travel south of the border we say we are going to the U.S. not to America. Those educated here are aware that we are a country that began as parts of British North America , New France, lands chartered to The Hudson's Bay Company, and the oldest living participatory democracy on earth the Six Nation Confederacy. With Confederation the name Canada ( perhaps Iroquois for village) was adopted officially in 1867. We are North American citizens of Canada. A few of us muse that it is the policy of "Manifest Destiny" that moved our friends to the south to claim a whole continent in their nomenclature.
     
  8. troy2000
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    We didn't appropriate the words America and American, then demand they be used by the rest of the world. As I've pointed out, America and American were common terms outside the country, within a generation or two of its founding. De Tocqueville certainly didn't name his book 'Democracy in America' in 1835 because someone here crammed the term down his throat in a fit of Manifest Destiny.... he did so because that was the common term used in in France at the time.

    I'm not surprised that as a Canadian you would refer to this country as the US instead of as America, though. The fact is that the closer you are to a geographic area, the more precise you tend to be about it.

    For example, the folks in the desert town where I work tend to refer to hundreds of square miles of Southern California urban and suburban sprawl as 'L.A.,' from San Diego up through the Grapevine: "no way in Hell you'd catch me living in L.A., with all that traffic and smog." But in the city of Burbank, 12 miles from downtown Los Angeles, they wouldn't dream of saying they live in L.A.

    It's also interesting to note that the you're much more likely to hear the term 'America' used casually in other countries than you are here. People who live here don't really refer to the country as America in ordinary conversation; they tend to reserve the term for rhetorical flourishes. They might make a speech or a post about the greatness of 'America' -- but when they talk about their vacation, they'll tell you they're headed back to 'the states' or 'the US' on Tuesday. :)
     
  9. viking north
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    Masalai-- Please don't get into name calling, it be littles your personality and also has hints of arrogance.I truly say this as a friend. We as members of the Commonwealth must remember that the U.S. is and always will be a fellow family member and loyal friend. The fact that as a family member it decided to cut the aprion strings and experiment with a new form of democratic process should in no way offend us. Remember it is normal human nature to boast a little over success and in their case thus far rightly so.For all their faults they would and have laid down their lives to aid us in time of need and likewise of course we would do the same. In the final analysis this is what it is all about. Ask yourself what other group of nations in the world have managed to do this without a second thought. --- Cheers Geo.
     
  10. hoytedow
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    Canada means "Land of Cain" as intended by the French explorer who named it.

    My language is American and my dialect is Southern Appalachian, named after a region North of Cuba.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIJq-T1FbQo
     
  11. troy2000
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    "Who cares?" Well, son, I certainly didn't start this conversation, and neither did anyone else from the US. None of us really give a rat's patootie what you call us (although you should be able to come up with something less clumsy than 'USAnian). You and masrapido are the ones who bring he subject up and carry on about it every chance you get....

    Surely there must be more important things for you characters to get all offended and self-righteous about.;)
     
  12. Timothy
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    Actually Cartier described Newfoundland as "the land of Cain and named what is now Quebec " kanata" on his charts. It is thought to be the Iroquois word for huts or village. Newfoundland did not become part of Canada until March 31, 1949.
     
  13. troy2000
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    Obviously I need to read up on my Canadian history; I'm woefully ignorant. After I get done with de Tocqueville on my Kindle, I'll download a Canadian history book. Any recommendations?
     
  14. CatBuilder

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    Masali, you ought to start an extremist, fanatical radio show like Rush Limbaugh's program from here in America. You could call it the kangaroo court and go on about gold's infallible power as an investment vehice and devote a half hour to talking about what's wrong with USAians.

    I'm not even a "go USA" kind of guy. I complain about this place all the time, but these posts are just ignorant. Ignorant of the English language.

    So what do you call people from The United Republic of Tanzania, then, Masali? Huh? What do you call them?
     

  15. Timothy
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    Troy Its been years since I read them but Peter C Newman 's " "Company of Adventurers" and "Caesars of the Wilderness" are as I recall both entertaining and informative. "Stolen Continents" by Ronald Wright is I think a must read for anyone who lives in the Americas.
     
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