ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

Frosty, I think you misunderstood what the Good Reverend was trying to get across to all us sinners. As I understood, May 21 was just the beginning of Judgement. October 21 is the day that all the bad guys will be removed. Ya know, one can't judge billions of people in a day or two. These things take time! Of course, this clown's story is going to change many more times in the future.

 

Its Hoyt people that holds the whole world up. We have to humour and tolerate these----people and walk slowly till they catch up. -----sigh come on Hoyt wake up man,-- your holding the human race up.

Try to open your mind.

 

Let's try and get this thread back on-topic please.

 

sea level rise is not measured from sinking islands or some arbitrary trench, its a long and complex process of checks and balances all combined and all leading to the same conclusion

From http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/the-ipcc-sea-level-numbers/

whats interesting is that in the four or so years since this was written the projections have been adjusted to include the exponential increase in warming which means these projections are all significantly low, which is the typical er on the side of caution of the IPCC

the issue is not one of simple sea level rise, its that with more energy in the system and higher vapor content the storm intensities grow which leads to sever coastline erosion as well as loss of property with all its associated economic implications. It all works together.

 

What is that? Illusion , misunderstanding , misinterpretation--is'nt that what this thread is about.



Misinterpretation of global warming is world wide rife, along with the equally misguided believe that the world is coming to an end next October. I just thought I should mention that to keep a modicum of balance in this speculative open discussion.

Ah---religion on an American forum,-- taboo is it not..... Actually one of the most religious people on the planet next to Iraq, Iran or Afganistan.

Atheism in Sweden and Switzerland who incidentally have the lowest crime in the world is 95%--in America it is 25 %----- not interesting?

Is it global warming we need to fear but religious intolerance. A valid question I think.

 

I'm sure there are many, many forums focused on religion where you would enjoy discussing this. Here is not the place though.

 

and how would you explain the facts of the data then



The realities are pretty glaring, CO2 a known greenhouse gas is dramatically increasing. Caused by burning fossil fuels. The temp is increasing in lock step with the excess C02. ???????

if you have some other explanation it would be very enlightening. Natural variability has long ago been ruled out ( way back in Linden B Johnson's era ) and there's no doubt as to where the excess CO2 is coming from.

 

lets try and be respectful guests and leave off any form of religious debate, for my part I was simply joking around about a party, it needn't spawn any "climactic" events.

 

You started the religious debate by insulting my faith. Global warming is a fraud under any name, with the massaged(fraudulent) data and conspiracy to foist lies and "green" legislation whose sole purpose is to crush western economy. How.

 

no, I started nothing by joking around with someone else and directing nothing at you, nor did I even mention faith or any particular religion, simply that we were throwing a post rapture looting party. Which frankly was a great time. If you "chose" to take offense at my comments ( not directed at you ) that was your choice however, I'm not willing to take any responsibility for the over sensitivities of others, particularly someone who has chosen to act in a manor contrary to the very faith they pretend to adhere to. Aren't you supposed to be showing me your cheeks or something? Not that I really need to see but still I seem to remember something along those lines. Vindictive retribution is hardly worthy of any belief system however petty the manifestation of that may be.

I think it very telling that both Frosty and myself neither of whom agree on much else have both found it in our decidedly non christian hearts to not respond in kind when you are at ever opportunity abusing the system we have on boat design.

I also think it interesting that a reasonable request by our host is being ignored when really its no big deal to simple stick to the thread topic given that it does directly impact our use of the marine environment.

 

Ocean conditions are not changing due to anthropogenic rapid global climate shift.

The rest is snake oil.

 

are you denying that they are changing ?

and if not then are you denying that the excess CO2 in the atmosphere can be directly related to the burning of fossil fuels by a wide variety of methods including mas isotopic balance

given that CO2 has been a proven greenhouse gas since the early 1800s ( 200+ year old science ) how do you dissociate the warming conditions/alterations in our ocean conditions, with these additional greenhouse gasses. Also how would you explain the accuracy of the predictions made my the prevailing greenhouse theory with the observed facts.

just curious
Cheers
B

 

I am denying that they are anthropogenic.

 

its pretty much a no brainer Hoyt

now if you would like to believe that 97% of the scientific community has somehow got it wrong thats fine but in the absence of evidence to the contrary I'd say that the 3% remaining that question the data likely have ulterior motives for there beliefs

 

Keep spreading your propaganda. You have my opinion and last post on this thread.